pic of type r on slicks
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Re: pic of type r on slicks (Utilitarian)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Utilitarian »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">These are the only style of "slicks" that need be installed on the almighty R:
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mmmmm - YUMMY. hOOsiers for me next year.
Oh yea - the original question is a bit silly. 'Slicks' are the same size as regular tires if you so choose.
</TD></TR></TABLE>mmmmm - YUMMY. hOOsiers for me next year.
Oh yea - the original question is a bit silly. 'Slicks' are the same size as regular tires if you so choose.
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Re: pic of type r on slicks (dsav4shawn)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dsav4shawn »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How are those on wet weather performance?</TD></TR></TABLE>
You're kidding right?
You're kidding right?
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Re: pic of type r on slicks (dsav4shawn)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dsav4shawn »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How are those on wet weather performance?
Nice shoes... I want some to.</TD></TR></TABLE>
since you wanna get those, you might as well help us test them in the rain, since winter is coming anyways. Also try them in snow.
Nice shoes... I want some to.</TD></TR></TABLE>
since you wanna get those, you might as well help us test them in the rain, since winter is coming anyways. Also try them in snow.
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Re: pic of type r on slicks (Desired_Speeds)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Desired_Speeds »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
since you wanna get those, you might as well help us test them in the rain, since winter is coming anyways. Also try them in snow.</TD></TR></TABLE>
What exactly would you like to know?
I've autocrossed the A3S03's in the rain. They gripped better than any street tire till I hit any standing water. I actually came in second in my class to a WRX also on R comp's
I've also tracked V700's in snow showers as well as climbed a snow covered mountain road with them balder than a babies *** in 3rd gear @ 6,000+ rpm just to get the car up my driveway.
So I personally can tell you that more can be done with R compounds than you may think but is totally Not suggested or intended for use in such conditions.
since you wanna get those, you might as well help us test them in the rain, since winter is coming anyways. Also try them in snow.</TD></TR></TABLE>
What exactly would you like to know?
I've autocrossed the A3S03's in the rain. They gripped better than any street tire till I hit any standing water. I actually came in second in my class to a WRX also on R comp's
I've also tracked V700's in snow showers as well as climbed a snow covered mountain road with them balder than a babies *** in 3rd gear @ 6,000+ rpm just to get the car up my driveway.
So I personally can tell you that more can be done with R compounds than you may think but is totally Not suggested or intended for use in such conditions.
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Re: pic of type r on slicks (Marlon88)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BudMan »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
mmmmm - YUMMY. hOOsiers for me next year.
Oh yea - the original question is a bit silly. 'Slicks' are the same size as regular tires if you so choose.</TD></TR></TABLE>I dont know about the new A3S05's, but I think the Kumho V710's are better.
mmmmm - YUMMY. hOOsiers for me next year.
Oh yea - the original question is a bit silly. 'Slicks' are the same size as regular tires if you so choose.</TD></TR></TABLE>I dont know about the new A3S05's, but I think the Kumho V710's are better.
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Re: pic of type r on slicks (Billz01ITR445)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Billz01ITR445 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I dont know about the new A3S05's, but I think the Kumho V710's are better.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Price wise or grip wise?
On a serious note, I'm really disappointed in the Hoosier's life span. I got 40 runs out of those SO4's because the shoulder corded. Plus, I flipped them on the rims at 30 runs, what I thought would be their half-life.
Do the Kumhos have less of a cording issue for our camber challenged cars?
-Matt
Price wise or grip wise?
On a serious note, I'm really disappointed in the Hoosier's life span. I got 40 runs out of those SO4's because the shoulder corded. Plus, I flipped them on the rims at 30 runs, what I thought would be their half-life.
Do the Kumhos have less of a cording issue for our camber challenged cars?
-Matt
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Re: pic of type r on slicks (Utilitarian)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Utilitarian »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Do the Kumhos have less of a cording issue for our camber challenged cars?</TD></TR></TABLE>
I just finished a pair of 710s (225-50-15), used on the front only. I flipped them inside out after 41 runs, and did a total of 74 runs on them.
When they corded, it was not on the edges, but a 3" wide strip down the middle, which surprised me (stock camber).
But the grip was falling off appreciably after about 60 runs.
I just finished a pair of 710s (225-50-15), used on the front only. I flipped them inside out after 41 runs, and did a total of 74 runs on them.
When they corded, it was not on the edges, but a 3" wide strip down the middle, which surprised me (stock camber).
But the grip was falling off appreciably after about 60 runs.
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Re: pic of type r on slicks (Billz01ITR445)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Billz01ITR445 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I dont know about the new A3S05's, but I think the Kumho V710's are better.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I will be using hOOsier daddy's for club racing not autocross. We'll see how the budget holds out
I will be using hOOsier daddy's for club racing not autocross. We'll see how the budget holds out
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Re: pic of type r on slicks (Utilitarian)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Utilitarian »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Price wise or grip wise?
On a serious note, I'm really disappointed in the Hoosier's life span. I got 40 runs out of those SO4's because the shoulder corded. Plus, I flipped them on the rims at 30 runs, what I thought would be their half-life.
Do the Kumhos have less of a cording issue for our camber challenged cars?
-Matt</TD></TR></TABLE>
If you are on stock suspension, then it won't make a difference what tires you use you'll cord the outside edges sooner or later regardless.
As you said it's camber challenged. There's no 2 ways about it.
I made a clear decision this season that after I corded my V700's after 7 track days that I must improve the suspension before I drop more money on soft rubber.
If after you solve the camber issue you are still looking to compare compounds, from what I see the V710's are the tire to get for competition currently.
Price wise or grip wise?
On a serious note, I'm really disappointed in the Hoosier's life span. I got 40 runs out of those SO4's because the shoulder corded. Plus, I flipped them on the rims at 30 runs, what I thought would be their half-life.
Do the Kumhos have less of a cording issue for our camber challenged cars?
-Matt</TD></TR></TABLE>
If you are on stock suspension, then it won't make a difference what tires you use you'll cord the outside edges sooner or later regardless.
As you said it's camber challenged. There's no 2 ways about it.
I made a clear decision this season that after I corded my V700's after 7 track days that I must improve the suspension before I drop more money on soft rubber.
If after you solve the camber issue you are still looking to compare compounds, from what I see the V710's are the tire to get for competition currently.
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Re: pic of type r on slicks (dsav4shawn)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dsav4shawn »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How are those on wet weather performance?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Hoosier makes DOT R compounds for the ITR. However, Hoosier's way of making them "DOT" consists of having two grooves that really do not handle standing water of any kind. And by any kind I mean that if you have 1/4" of standing water you are gong to slide.
Toyo's RA1 are full tread if you buy them that way (that is, unshaved). They grip very well, although not as well as Hoosiers. They handle standing water pretty well, and I have driven them in a downpour at Summit Point and passed cars that should have been much, much faster.
Toyo RA1 also wear much better than other R comps, and they will make a little noise and give you some warning when they're at the limit. Hoosiers provide more dry grip, for sure, but they might not be the best tyres for a relative novice on the track because they do not give nearly as much warning before simply letting go.
I'll give the Toyo one more plug by saying that another advantage is that they heat cycle out really quite gradually, and you could look at the tyre and probably tell if it is still good. You can't really do that with the stickier R compounds. You can't really look at a Hoosier and tell whether it's still going to work.
I've also been in the middle of a sprint session with Kumho R compounds and actually felt the tyres finishing up their life in the middle of the session, basically just losing all grip and performing less well than Azenis before the end of the session. This is typical of most R compounds except the Toyo RA1.
If you are a driver who has heretofore been a part of the Falken Azenis or Hankook Z12/RS2 crowd, then the RA1 would probably be a better, more logical next step than the R comp Hoosiers or Kumhos.
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The original poster was, I think, asking about drag slicks. So we got all diverted and aren't helping him at all.
Hoosier makes DOT R compounds for the ITR. However, Hoosier's way of making them "DOT" consists of having two grooves that really do not handle standing water of any kind. And by any kind I mean that if you have 1/4" of standing water you are gong to slide.
Toyo's RA1 are full tread if you buy them that way (that is, unshaved). They grip very well, although not as well as Hoosiers. They handle standing water pretty well, and I have driven them in a downpour at Summit Point and passed cars that should have been much, much faster.
Toyo RA1 also wear much better than other R comps, and they will make a little noise and give you some warning when they're at the limit. Hoosiers provide more dry grip, for sure, but they might not be the best tyres for a relative novice on the track because they do not give nearly as much warning before simply letting go.
I'll give the Toyo one more plug by saying that another advantage is that they heat cycle out really quite gradually, and you could look at the tyre and probably tell if it is still good. You can't really do that with the stickier R compounds. You can't really look at a Hoosier and tell whether it's still going to work.
I've also been in the middle of a sprint session with Kumho R compounds and actually felt the tyres finishing up their life in the middle of the session, basically just losing all grip and performing less well than Azenis before the end of the session. This is typical of most R compounds except the Toyo RA1.
If you are a driver who has heretofore been a part of the Falken Azenis or Hankook Z12/RS2 crowd, then the RA1 would probably be a better, more logical next step than the R comp Hoosiers or Kumhos.
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The original poster was, I think, asking about drag slicks. So we got all diverted and aren't helping him at all.
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Re: pic of type r on slicks (bender)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bender »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I just finished a pair of 710s (225-50-15), used on the front only. I flipped them inside out after 41 runs, and did a total of 74 runs on them.
When they corded, it was not on the edges, but a 3" wide strip down the middle, which surprised me (stock camber).
But the grip was falling off appreciably after about 60 runs.</TD></TR></TABLE>
That makes me feel like there is a little hope. I'm assuming (hoping) that you're running an ITR with stock suspension?
I just finished a pair of 710s (225-50-15), used on the front only. I flipped them inside out after 41 runs, and did a total of 74 runs on them.
When they corded, it was not on the edges, but a 3" wide strip down the middle, which surprised me (stock camber).
But the grip was falling off appreciably after about 60 runs.</TD></TR></TABLE>
That makes me feel like there is a little hope. I'm assuming (hoping) that you're running an ITR with stock suspension?
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Re: pic of type r on slicks (Utilitarian)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Utilitarian »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That makes me feel like there is a little hope. I'm assuming (hoping) that you're running an ITR with stock suspension?</TD></TR></TABLE>
DS ITR, essentially stock suspension from a tire's POV: re-valved konis, stock ride height, 0 toe front and rear.
FWIW, I just replaced the 710 225s with 205s. Our working theory is that the extra width doesn't justify the extra height and weight (& $). Oh, and the 225s are tearing the hell out of my fender liners.
DS ITR, essentially stock suspension from a tire's POV: re-valved konis, stock ride height, 0 toe front and rear.
FWIW, I just replaced the 710 225s with 205s. Our working theory is that the extra width doesn't justify the extra height and weight (& $). Oh, and the 225s are tearing the hell out of my fender liners.
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Re: pic of type r on slicks (1GreyTeg)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1GreyTeg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What exactly would you like to know?
I've autocrossed the A3S03's in the rain. They gripped better than any street tire till I hit any standing water. I actually came in second in my class to a WRX also on R comp's
I've also tracked V700's in snow showers as well as climbed a snow covered mountain road with them balder than a babies *** in 3rd gear @ 6,000+ rpm just to get the car up my driveway.
So I personally can tell you that more can be done with R compounds than you may think but is totally Not suggested or intended for use in such conditions.</TD></TR></TABLE>
that is some mad skills
I've autocrossed the A3S03's in the rain. They gripped better than any street tire till I hit any standing water. I actually came in second in my class to a WRX also on R comp's
I've also tracked V700's in snow showers as well as climbed a snow covered mountain road with them balder than a babies *** in 3rd gear @ 6,000+ rpm just to get the car up my driveway.
So I personally can tell you that more can be done with R compounds than you may think but is totally Not suggested or intended for use in such conditions.</TD></TR></TABLE>
that is some mad skills
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Re: pic of type r on slicks (bender)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bender »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
DS ITR, essentially stock suspension from a tire's POV: re-valved konis, stock ride height, 0 toe front and rear.
FWIW, I just replaced the 710 225s with 205s. Our working theory is that the extra width doesn't justify the extra height and weight (& $). Oh, and the 225s are tearing the hell out of my fender liners.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Cool. That's good news.
I don't do the staggered widths either. The SO4's were rubbing the fenders too and they were 205's, but wide.
Can you flip the 710's inside to outside edge and expect the same traction despite the uneven tread lines (all two of the IIRC)?
DS ITR, essentially stock suspension from a tire's POV: re-valved konis, stock ride height, 0 toe front and rear.
FWIW, I just replaced the 710 225s with 205s. Our working theory is that the extra width doesn't justify the extra height and weight (& $). Oh, and the 225s are tearing the hell out of my fender liners.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Cool. That's good news.
I don't do the staggered widths either. The SO4's were rubbing the fenders too and they were 205's, but wide.
Can you flip the 710's inside to outside edge and expect the same traction despite the uneven tread lines (all two of the IIRC)?
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Re: pic of type r on slicks (Utilitarian)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Utilitarian »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Cool. That's good news.
I don't do the staggered widths either. The SO4's were rubbing the fenders too and they were 205's, but wide.
Can you flip the 710's inside to outside edge and expect the same traction despite the uneven tread lines (all two of the IIRC)?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Too many variables (my driving among them) to be scientific, since I flipped them at 40+ runs. But since they corded in the center, and not either edge, my feeling is flipping them didn't hurt traction.
I don't do the staggered widths either. The SO4's were rubbing the fenders too and they were 205's, but wide.
Can you flip the 710's inside to outside edge and expect the same traction despite the uneven tread lines (all two of the IIRC)?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Too many variables (my driving among them) to be scientific, since I flipped them at 40+ runs. But since they corded in the center, and not either edge, my feeling is flipping them didn't hurt traction.