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Oct 18, 2005 | 04:03 PM

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timing distributor advanced all the way

92 civic vx D15, I tried to set the timing,yes I have a timing light, and I did jump the plug in the kick panel. All is good when I set timing to 16 BTDC. I drive around the block and it is retarded again few degrees past 14 when I check it in my driveway. My distributor is all the way advanced no more room for adjusting advance.(towards the firewall) it keeps loosing timing, I have no CEL codes either.

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Oct 18, 2005 | 04:05 PM

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Re: timing distributor advanced all the way (NWAS)

I just thought.......Is it possible the cam timing is off maybe a couple of teeth maybe? have not checked yet, but would like some input from some peeps here.

Oct 18, 2005 | 04:36 PM

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Re: timing distributor advanced all the way (NWAS)

Might be off a few teeth...I think if the timing is off, the ecu tries its best to correct it...

Oct 18, 2005 | 06:34 PM

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Re: timing distributor advanced all the way (EvilPinkEye)

yea i agree with EvilPinkEye, check the cam gear and see if it good.

Oct 18, 2005 | 06:41 PM

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Re: timing distributor advanced all the way (Swapped_EG)

it will most likely only bee of only one tooth if it is still running ok.

I suggest looking at cam timing first and if that is not your problem then try a different distributor to see if that is your problem, your CYP/CKP sensors could be on their way out and it is throwing you timing out of whack.

Oct 18, 2005 | 08:06 PM

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Re: timing distributor advanced all the way (DirtySol)

I've always heard that moving the dizzy towards the radiator was advancing. I've seen many cars applying this too. Maybe thats why after you drive it you are retarded again.

Oct 18, 2005 | 08:42 PM

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Re: timing distributor advanced all the way (fast88std)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fast88std »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thats why after you drive it you are retarded again.</TD></TR></TABLE>

what are you trying to say?

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Oct 18, 2005 | 08:53 PM

FalkenSiR

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Re: timing distributor advanced all the way (DirtySol)

After lots of search I found that 60% people say moving dizzy towards firewall advances, then the rest say towards the radiator is advancing... WTH? A guy drove with the dizzy turned to the firewall and it drove like crap, then he turned it the other way and it ran way better. Stock engine too. dunno...

Also if you do it either way, don't you have to jump the service conector? Is that one by the ecu also?

Oct 18, 2005 | 08:55 PM

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Re: timing distributor advanced all the way (fast88std)

Just think of which way the engine rotates. Moving the top of the distributor towards the firewall is moving it ahead of the engine, therefore advancing it.

Oct 18, 2005 | 09:00 PM

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Re: timing distributor advanced all the way (Jizzmaster Zero)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jizzmaster Zero »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just think of which way the engine rotates. Moving the top of the distributor towards the firewall is moving it ahead of the engine, therefore advancing it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

correct

Oct 18, 2005 | 09:05 PM

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Re: timing distributor advanced all the way (fast88std)

I'm almost certain that turning it toward the firewall is advancing. You don't need to know because you have a timing gun. Turn it and check which way the marks move. On the newer K series Hondas it might be backwards.

VX base timing was 14 not 16 I thought. It will say on the label on your hood.

You sure it's the right distributer?

Oct 18, 2005 | 09:22 PM

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What are CYP/CKP sensors?

Oct 18, 2005 | 09:37 PM

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Re: timing distributor advanced all the way (Jizzmaster Zero)

And you have to jump the service connector before you do anything right? Or the ecu will try to set it back to stock?

Oct 18, 2005 | 09:45 PM

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NWAS »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What are CYP/CKP sensors?</TD></TR></TABLE>

They are sensorsfor timing. They are all located in the dizzy. Heres the breakdown of what they do:

CKP: Determines the timing for the fuel injection and ignition on each cylinder. I also detects engine RPM.

CYP: This sensor determines the position of the cylinder for sequential fuel injection to each cylinder. It is a part of the PGM-FI system.

Oct 18, 2005 | 10:15 PM

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Re: timing distributor advanced all the way (fast88std)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fast88std »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
That's what I was just thinking of.

And you have to jump the service connector before you do anything right? Or the ecu will try to set it back to stock?</TD></TR></TABLE>

i thought you only have to jump that thing for the obd2 people?

Oct 18, 2005 | 10:28 PM

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Re: timing distributor advanced all the way (marshun)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by marshun »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

i thought you only have to jump that thing for the obd2 people?

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No. OBD1 also needs to be jumped. You would be surprised how much the ECU can correct the timing.

Oct 19, 2005 | 05:46 AM

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Re: (Bond)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bond »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

They are sensorsfor timing. They are all located in the dizzy. Heres the breakdown of what they do:

CKP: Determines the timing for the fuel injection and ignition on each cylinder. I also detects engine RPM.

CYP: This sensor determines the position of the cylinder for sequential fuel injection to each cylinder. It is a part of the PGM-FI system.</TD></TR></TABLE>

check that **** out......a n0ob in teh know

Oct 19, 2005 | 06:37 AM

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Re: timing distributor advanced all the way (fast88std)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fast88std »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I've always heard that moving the dizzy towards the radiator was advancing. I've seen many cars applying this too. Maybe thats why after you drive it you are retarded again.</TD></TR></TABLE>

this is completely wrong moving dizzy foward will retard timing moving it to the fire wall will advance timming

Oct 19, 2005 | 10:19 AM

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Re: timing distributor advanced all the way (gabspeed)

Ya I have it moved all the way back towards the firewall, I still get a little stutter while light acceleration, its missing. I'll check the cam timing this weekend. Hopefully thats all it is, and not the dissy.

I dont want to spend any money on this motor, I am saving up for a b-swap.

Oct 19, 2005 | 12:17 PM

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Re: timing distributor advanced all the way (NWAS)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gabspeed »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

this is completely wrong moving dizzy foward will retard timing moving it to the fire wall will advance timming </TD></TR></TABLE>
That was clarified long time ago.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NWAS »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I dont want to spend any money on this motor, I am saving up for a b-swap.

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yay me neither, and I am saving up for a B swap too

just wanted to put an end to this.