hi every one, i'm fairly new to honda tech, i have been working on my car for bout 4 years now, slowly but surely she is coming round, my next task is a swap. Now i can get a good price on a ls motor, auto tranny, mounts, and ecu for my 94 civic hb, but i would like to eventually do a ls vtec turbo. The Big problem is the auto tranny, i would have prefered a 5 speed for sure, but i have lived with the auto, plus the old lady drives it occanally, so it is safer being a auto, for burning clutch..... so i would keep it an auto, and i'm just wondering is it going to be worth my time. I have put a lot of my time and money it to the car so it isn't going to be practical selling it... So give me your thoughts and dont flame cause i have an auto, i do know there is a market out there for them, if only a small market.

 

Your money and your car.. Be a man and make your own decisions..

BTW big clutter'd paragraphs are not easy on the eyes space it out

 

Ok so let me get this straight, your putting together a performance oriented motor but your going to put an auto tranny on it.

Thats like if ferrari decided that they wanted to save a few bills and do that tire deal where you get all 4 tires for $100. Yeah that would be a ****** joke huh.

Oh wait, heres another, i heard the mclaren F1 LM now comes with a usdm d16 as an option to save the consumer $50000 off of the estimated $650,000 price tag.

 

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It's only one paragraph with about 8 sentences in it. Hardly anything worth complaining about. Come to think of it why post when you dont help 1 bit? Be a man and use a phrase that's a little less cliche. WTF does his 'manhood' have to do with him trying to get some advice from people who know cars better than him?!

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by delLudeVTEC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ok so let me get this straight, your putting together a performance oriented motor but your going to put an auto tranny on it.

Thats like if ferrari decided that they wanted to save a few bills and do that tire deal where you get all 4 tires for $100. Yeah that would be a ****** joke huh.

Oh wait, heres another, i heard the mclaren F1 LM now comes with a usdm d16 as an option to save the consumer $50000 off of the estimated $650,000 price tag. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Simply put, your a dumbass. Comparing this man getting a good deal on a LS/auto motor and boosting it (an upgrade from his stock motor, anyway you slice it) to a Ferrari with bad tires is such a fallacy. Apples and Oranges.

To the original poster, how much are you getting the LS swap for? What are the miles on it? The LS is a good improvement over the stock motor you have and you can beat on that thing and turbo it with some good results. From what I've heard, if you turbo an LS it will slip somewhat, but there are some auto tranny performance companies out there that could probably addapt your tranny to handle more Torque.

If you want you can always swap the tranny to stick later, possibly adding LSD while you do it.


Modified by FuNkDrSpOt at 3:34 PM 10/18/2005

 

Locally where I live, the two quickest street cars (I use the term street losely but they do have tags, insurance and inspection stickers) are both AWD Auto DSM's, one running 9.70's and the other 10'00's repeatedly. Just because it's an auto doesn't mean it has to be a terd, you just need to do a bit of research and look for stall converters, shiftkits, and if you plan to make the power, aftermarket bands for the slipping that will develop. I personally prefer an auto for a turbo car but that is me.


Modified by Jay_Sensing at 7:01 AM 10/18/2005

 

can you post your car.. i wanna see it

 

there is someone from my area with an ls/vtec in auto. supposedly he got some jdm auto with lsd, but like i said... supposedly.

 

Don't let her drive your car. Problem solved.

 

Thanks for your help everyone who had something valuble to say, btw i will be getting the ls swap for 1100 cdn and the donar car has 6500 on it, it is out of a 95 teg.. yup here in canada i haven't been able to find one for cheaper then that.

Another reason i was thinkin of doing this swap was the fact that there is enough information bout doing it into an eg. My origanal goal was a h22 but funds and hassle come into play. Seeing on how Grip Star asked me to post pic of the car i will do soo.... well i can't get pics to post so here is my hondashowoffsite. Take a look and tell me what u say.... ps the neon and apc decal, and tails have all been removed now

 

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Thats it right there. You do this, and you will out accelerate a manual car with the same setup, no miss shifts.


Also I beleive you can add LSD to the auto trannys, not positive on this, but I cant see why not.

 

What do you plan on doing with the car? Autox? drag? If you'r planning on doing any racing I would stay away from an auto trans. They are alot weaker than a manual trans.

 

I answered his question straight up, he asked if an auto tranny was worth his time. And to tell you the truth FuNkDrSpOt you look like a dumbass, you didn't contribute anything to this thread. Please n00b, go run yourself and your geo metro off a cliff.

Its amazing what '05 users say these days tsk tsk.

 

http://www.hondashowoff.com/profile.php?id=3544


Modified by gwegcivic at 5:10 PM 10/18/2005

 

Ive heard of people making good power with auto trans.. You should do it a post some time slips!.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by delLudeVTEC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I answered his question straight up, he asked if an auto tranny was worth his time. And to tell you the truth FuNkDrSpOt you look like a dumbass, you didn't contribute anything to this thread. Please n00b, go run yourself and your geo metro off a cliff.

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I asked him questions that i needed answers for to answer the main question; Was the swap a good idea. You didnt answer his question straight up, you assumed you knew something about performance and cars and flamed him like an *******. If v8's can have auto trannys wtf makes you think that a honda cant have its auto tranny rebuilt to take the extra torque?! DelLude, just shut your dumbass up. Your not helping

Again, to the original poster, $1100 CND for a LS auto motor is great! Thats about what....$800 us dollars. I would do it in a heartbeat. Even if you didnt want the auto tranny or decided against building it up, you could sell that thing and just get a LS w/ LSD.

 

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I agree. I remember this one auto supra video way back making good runs. I believe it was a white one. So auto is an option.

Members who think 2005 members are dumbasses are dumbasses themselves.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jay_Sensing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Locally where I live, the two quickest street cars (I use the term street losely but they do have tags, insurance and inspection stickers) are both AWD Auto DSM's, one running 9.70's and the other 10'00's repeatedly. Just because it's an auto doesn't mean it has to be a terd, you just need to do a bit of research and look for stall converters, shiftkits, and if you plan to make the power, aftermarket bands for the slipping that will develop. I personally prefer an auto for a turbo car but that is me.


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my only response to that is that most motors that are factory turbo, have a low redline. With a low redline (6000ish) The advantage to having a low redline is that you don't really need gearing that is really close together. On a honda that revs to 8000, it NEEDS the close ratio transmission, cause the higher your rev, the higher your RPMs are going to drop when you switch gears. On a honda, the easiest way to make hp is to rev the **** out if it. Which is why you see numbers like "160hp / 113 ft/lbs" Anyways, just because one car can get buy with fewer gears and still be fast, doesn't mean that all cars can. Kinda like how those big v8s that rev to 5000 can get by with just 3 gears.

 

Let me give this guy a decent response. I used to have a '90 Integra LS auto, with a JDM B16A swap. At the time, I couldn't afford a tranny swap, but I got curious as to what I could do with it in auto form. Here's what I did:

-Injen short-ram intake
-DC 4-1 header
-Greddy SP exhaust
-HKS cam gears (set to 3 & 5 degrees)
-MSD ignition.

End result? Off the line it was about as fast as an OEM CRX Si.
Automatic Hondas have approx. 0.00 torque.
On the other hand, on the freeway it hung with GSR's and smoked any SOHC Hondas.

There was no low-end at all because it was automatic, and the B16 had no torque to begin with, especially compared to the LS my car came with. It was pretty embarrassing. On the other hand, top-end performance was great, and because the auto was set up with 2nd gear and D as options, with an overdrive button, I could easily drop it into 2nd (on the street) or 3rd (freeway) by turning off overdrive, and it hit right at the peak in the powerband. And because there were only 4 gears, it stayed peaked for a while, which meant that I was giving most n/a drivers a good run.

Summary: It'll be a fun daily driver that feels like a go-cart. But if you're trying to race it, I wouldn't recommend it.

 

I love how everyone thinks automatic transmissions are complete crap. Sure, they eat a tad more torqe than a manual does. But that doesn't mean they can't hold any power.

 

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exactly, plus the original poster said:

-his woman drives the car too
-he will turbo later
-he's getting the swap for CHEAP with very little miles on it
-even if he doesnt do a single thing to his new motor, its still stronger than the one he had

Thats why i keep telling that idiot delLudeVtec to shut the hell up. Its not as though the guy has an LS motor and is sticking a auto tranny on it....thats just how its coming. I mean, imagine that ITR came in auto and you could get one for half of what it would cost for a regular ITR, and you had a d16y8, who wouldnt do that swap?! You could spend $800 easily on I/H/E but still wouldnt get CLOSE to the power a motor swap from d16y7 to b18 would get you.

 

forgive me if i am wrong but aren't auto's more expensive in new cars than manual gearboxes.
also arent top fuel dragsters auto, i really have no idea on that but how the hell can u shift in such a short amount of time.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dogbiscuit &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">forgive me if i am wrong but aren't auto's more expensive in new cars than manual gearboxes.
also arent top fuel dragsters auto, i really have no idea on that but how the hell can u shift in such a short amount of time.</TD></TR></TABLE>

yes they are and yes they do. Not just dragsters but a lot of racers use auto gearing similar to the Lexus ES

 

hey cool color man. What kind of 'orange' is it?

 

On one side, it comes auto. On the other, you are losing acceleration from that damned Torque converter. It depends on what your goals are. If you are very seriously going to build a car for speed, do the conversion. It is true that you can make a auto fairly quick, but it is EXPENSIVE. Performance torque converters run for almost over a G. For that, you can get a b16 tranny, if you want some short gears, and almost get it installed included in that $1,000 dollars. But as for autos being fast, I have an automatic commuter I use for college, but countless times ive run into a 2000 SI on the road and surprised the hell out of him and stayed with/ beat him. On the other hand, standing races are harder to win in an auto. It's dependent on your goals homie.

 

I had a shop in Miami attempt to install a JDM GSR with auto tranny in my hatch. He got the car running but the tranny wouldn't shift correctly. It would shift out at around 5grand at wot. So I ended up having a manual tranny installed. Before the swap I had the Torque converter shipped to Level 10. They modded the converter for $500 bucks. The car would rev out, if I manually shifted the auto. Even with the tq converter the car was still weak off the line. and didn't really pull hard until vtec engaged. I was also carrying a passenger who was around 300lbs so this didnt help either. Level 10 also stated they could rework the throttle body to hold high hp. But this was at a cost of around $3800 if I remember correctly.
Everything I found out about honda auto trannys is they are weak and break with the introduction of high hp.
But you can still have fun with imports with auto transmissions. I have a 95 240 with a SR20det with a autotranny.