i have a cold air intake on my accord and i was wonder what the likeliness of getting water inside the engine when it rains? and i was wondering if i should get a bypass valve?

 

With all the respect, water will only get inside your engine when it rains and you have your car upside down....
The long ram intake (...close to the floor...), is a piece that isn't so fragile as you may think. It takes more than just rain to let that thing suck the water. That means, if you want to get a "bypass valve" it will help avoid any problem in case it ever happen.... .....but... as long as you have your "water splash" protection underneath the front bumper, that will do its job...

 

Don't make it seem as if CAI are bullet proof.

I would tell you to get the by pass valve at the minimum, but for safety you should have gotten a short ram. I have seen hydrolocks with engines that were equipped with CAI and by pass valve.

 

..no... i didn't mean that.... ..but yeahh.. i prefer short ram anyway....

 

Not to bring anything into a debate here... what what is the purpose of a short ram? Certainly it flows a little better than stock, but the whole idea of a CAI is to take in cold air, from outside the engine compartment. A short ram wouldn't do this. If all you want is the ricer intake sound... then go for it.

As for water, it is pretty rare for rain to cause hydro- locking. In fact, i'd say it's impossible. Now, puddles are a different story. When I have seen water damaged engines, equipped with a CAI... it always comes down to some moron driving through a puddle too deep and sucking in water. If you install a CAI.... just use common sense and don't drive through deep puddles. Thats all you need to remember.

 

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As for water, it is pretty rare for rain to cause hydro- locking. In fact, i'd say it's impossible. Now, puddles are a different story. When I have seen water damaged engines, equipped with a CAI... it always comes down to some moron driving through a puddle too deep and sucking in water. If you install a CAI.... just use common sense and don't drive through deep puddles. Thats all you need to remember.[/QUOTE]

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HondaTechPro &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Not to bring anything into a debate here... what what is the purpose of a short ram? Certainly it flows a little better than stock, but the whole idea of a CAI is to take in cold air, from outside the engine compartment. A short ram wouldn't do this. If all you want is the ricer intake sound... then go for it.

As for water, it is pretty rare for rain to cause hydro- locking. In fact, i'd say it's impossible. Now, puddles are a different story. When I have seen water damaged engines, equipped with a CAI... it always comes down to some moron driving through a puddle too deep and sucking in water. If you install a CAI.... just use common sense and don't drive through deep puddles. Thats all you need to remember.</TD></TR></TABLE>

sooooooo are you saying Short Ram Is basically pointless? (just wondering, b.c i have short ram lol)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HondaTechPro &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Not to bring anything into a debate here... what what is the purpose of a short ram? Certainly it flows a little better than stock, but the whole idea of a CAI is to take in cold air, from outside the engine compartment. A short ram wouldn't do this. If all you want is the ricer intake sound... then go for it.
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Once you reach about 25-30 mph, the engine bay reaches ambient temperature. Thus, with your reasoning CAI is only useful over stock intake airbox with resonator at speeds below 30?
The reason why CAI and SR is better than stock air box is mainly b/c of the removal of the resonator; not temperature. If you think about it, the stock air intake sucks air from the bumper too; like CAI.

For your noobs out there; don't miss read this and think that SR or CAI will give you significant power; IT WILL NOT. However, SR over stock airbox is not a matter of sound.

 

The only difference between stock and aftermarket intakes is it is less restrictive. Having cold air from the intake won't matter if your intake manifold and block are heating the air as it enters. Invest in some heat wrap and a heat shield gasket for hte IM before worrying about getting a CAI....plus it wont hydrolock with a short ram....because by then the water would be up to your bellybutton anyway....

 

Don't worry man it doesn't rain that often here probably today tommorow but just don't drive in huge flooding puddles I promise your intake will be fine...

 

This is the first time that I have ever heard that short ram is as affective as CAI. Everybody that I have talked to says that you might as well keep the stock airbox if you are thinking about getting a SR intake. If anybody can tell which is better, a CAI or a SR, it would be helpful because I almost bought a CAI tonght for $80 more than a SR. As to this guy's problem about hyrolocking. I would advise getting a bypass valve just in case. They are not expensive and I would rather spend $70-80 and have the assurance that my intake won't hydrolock.

 

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sooooooo are you saying Short Ram Is basically pointless? (just wondering, b.c i have short ram lol)</TD></TR></TABLE>

No, short ram's are not pointless.... the flow maybe a tiny bit better and make that cool sound that all the chicks seem to dig. Wait, no they don't really dig that sound...

You won't hurt anything by putting on a short ram, but you really won't gain anything either. You won't gain much from a full CAI, maybe a little better fuel economy, but thats about it. Seriously, I think most people put them one because they like the sound. If that's what you like, awesome, go for it. To me they just seem to be a waste of money. Short rams are also cheaper than CAI's.... thats one major selling point.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vtecpower3088 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is the first time that I have ever heard that short ram is as affective as CAI. Everybody that I have talked to says that you might as well keep the stock airbox if you are thinking about getting a SR intake. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I don't wanna sound like an ***, but I don't wanna get into this because the topic has been covered too many times already. Search and you'll find the info on this one.

All I"m gonna say is that some even claim that the SR is better than the CAI i.e. in a H22 that rev higher than F-series. The reasoning is that at higher rpms there is a higher demand for the air to get into the intake manifold...Thus, with a longer pipe and therefore more resistance [Physics 101]; the CAI can't supply the demand.


Either way you won't see any significant gains unless the engine is highly modified, so why risk the hydrolock if you won't see any difference between that and the SR?

As stated, CAI won't cause hydrolock as long as you use common sense i.e. don't use you accord with CAI in WRC.

 

To further back this up, just look at the spoon whale ***** intake for B series. Essentially a massivley flowing SR.

And what about all motor setups with ITBs now... The throttle response is there, and the underhood temps at under 15mph must be outweighed by the performance gains.

 

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No, short ram's are not pointless.... the flow maybe a tiny bit better and make that cool sound that all the chicks seem to dig. Wait, no they don't really dig that sound... .</TD></TR></TABLE>

haha, no matter what u get for ur accord, the chicks wilkl still dig that guy u hate with the benz more then she digs ur honda... i miss her so much, dat bastard and his benz ruined my life!

i got him bak though! look what im selling in my sig.

 

That is a messed up plug for your sale... but funny nonetheless.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SuperSlow &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That is a messed up plug for your sale... but funny nonetheless.</TD></TR></TABLE>

thanks, it was just a joke though, i didnt jack no guy with a benz and me and my girl is still together...

 

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thanks, it was just a joke though, i didnt jack no guy with a benz and me and my girl is still together...</TD></TR></TABLE>

So you think....

 

Man you guys are getting robbed for you $45 you paid to get the bypass... That SH*T only works when your whole filter is endulge in water (say, puddle or flood) like in the post about driving thru a flood. Nonetheless, a cold air can allow little splashes of water to enter your engine slowly while getting pulled in little by little in throttle response, so yes you can still draw water into your motor. I was riding like a jacka** one day, revving and racing on the highway with only a short ram when my motor shuts down on me. I waited about 30 minutes until I can start it up and keep a steady idle.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HondaTechPro &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
You won't hurt anything by putting on a short ram, but you really won't gain anything either. You won't gain much from a full CAI, maybe a little better fuel economy, but thats about it. Seriously, I think most people put them one because they like the sound. If that's what you like, awesome, go for it. To me they just seem to be a waste of money. Short rams are also cheaper than CAI's.... thats one major selling point.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i got mine for gas milage reasons. it seems to get better milage. and yes the fact that the short ram was cheaper sold it. well said HTpro BUT while moving the pipe can be cool to the touch almost 8-10 inches from the thottle body. ive accually done a quick stop and poped my hood and felt the pipe. so i see a CAI no better than a short ram unless you have a built motor.

 

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so i see a CAI no better than a short ram unless you have a built motor.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You based this on the fact that your SR wasn't too hot to touch after driving for while?
Amazing, you should write your thesis on this.

 

Yeah there is a thread like this every week. This is just like arguing that imports are better than domestics. I have CAI and i live in Washington where we get a lot of rain and i have had no problems with it, as long you dont go mud bogging in your accord im sure you will be fine.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HmongEG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Man you guys are getting robbed for you $45 you paid to get the bypass... That SH*T only works when your whole filter is endulge in water (say, puddle or flood) like in the post about driving thru a flood. Nonetheless, a cold air can allow little splashes of water to enter your engine slowly while getting pulled in little by little in throttle response, so yes you can still draw water into your motor. I was riding like a jacka** one day, revving and racing on the highway with only a short ram when my motor shuts down on me. I waited about 30 minutes until I can start it up and keep a steady idle.</TD></TR></TABLE>

we all get robbed every month, its called insurance, or better knwon as "just-in-case-shyt"

 

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So you think.... </TD></TR></TABLE>

u bastard

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by -Bionic- &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You based this on the fact that your SR wasn't too hot to touch after driving for while?
Amazing, you should write your thesis on this.</TD></TR></TABLE>

indeed i did... while you drive air is constantly going into the engine bay. going to the filter and also keeping the pipe cool. so the air temp difference cant be much much more than 1 or 2 degrees from a cai..... but then again you live in NY so it may be more than that with yalls freezing temps.