What up guys? I am posting this for a friend his goal is to have 350 FWHP in his Lude...So this is the setup we came up with...He just got it 3 days ago and he can`t wait to start putting money into it...Let me just say he doesn`t want a turbo...He is going supercharged...He wants the car to rev out at about 8500 RPMs is that possible with the setup we have got so far? or should we be switching to Jun Cams? Any recomendations will be helpful on parts...Thanks John/Mark

1.) JDM Prelude Type S Camshafts

2.) JDM Prelude Type S Pistons

3.) Protflow Racing Valve spring kit

4.) Protflow Titainium Retainers

5.) Apexi Super VAFC 2

6.) Jackson Racing Supercharger

7.) Hytech Headers/Super High Flow Cat

8.) Skunk 2 Mega power Exhuast

9.) Fluidyne Radiator

10.) ACT Flywheel/Clucth Combo


P.S If the car can rev out at 8500 will it even make power that high? If so and we have to switch to Jun Cams will they handle the Supercharger?

 

That list is a very good one of things not to buy if you want 350whp.

Except maybe 9/10. Radiators and clutches never hurt.

 

thats not even close to 350......maybe 230-240

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NXLude &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thats not even close to 350......maybe 230-240</TD></TR></TABLE>

If it even makes it to the dyno. A JRSC on an 11:1 oem piston and AFC combo would be hilarious to watch.

 

OKay well thats why I am asking...I would like to know why this isn`t a good set up and what should be changed for what reason...I already know I am going to get a few people who are going to say search (witch I did and found nothing) Or do more research (Witch is what I am doing right now, Belive it or not this is research)

What is the problem with the setup?

JRSC is a definate we want to go with that

Cams are between Crower Stage II/Type S/JUN-Looking for info on that so I am reading the Offical Cam post-I would like to know if anyone has a similar setup to what we are looking for....

Pistions-Type S are all we can find so far

Hytech- I don`t see a problem with those headers....They are probably the best header for the lude with one of the biggest pipe Diamiter you can find...Witch I think will go nicely with the charger....

The overall goal is 350 but 300 will do..We can alway up the boost with a pulley for an extra 20HP

 

I have a Comptech supercharged S2000...With Js Racing headers and a T1R 70MM Exhaust...And a VAFC..My Vtec is lowered to 5500RPMs...The compression is 11:0:1 and the H Series motor is a hell of a lot stronger than my F20C1.....My car made it to the dyno just fine and put down 333RWHP and 208 TQ on 5.5 PSI If I had a scanner I would post it up but I don`t so sadly you will have to take my word for it....Tuning is everything my good man...With the right tune Type S pistions would be no problem with the JRSC...Or corse there will be an EMS added as more thing come together but for a tune a VAFC will do just fine

 

i have never seen a 300whp supercharged h22, but im sure it can be done...

im going to estimate:

custom pulley for the charger
some sort of cooling system (water, nitrous, etc)
custom rmf header made for your specific application
getting a port job specially done for your setup
sleeving and over 12.5:1 compression
custom crank and stroke
custom cams to match your setup

its gonna cost you a lot...

if you really must have that hp, turbo would be much easier....call some shops

rmf(header) - importpowerhouse.com - RMF on h-t
rlz(porting/head work/engine assembly) - max_cfm on h-t - (704)262-7948
crower might be the best option for the cams and the crank

what is your $$ limit??

 

NXLude-The JRSC alone puts down 235....I am excpeting the car to put down atleast 220 witch is still good...Cams/Headers/Exhaust/Pistions/ The car should be around 300HP When properly tuned with the EMS....I just am looking for honest opions I don`t own a prelude...I have only owned Integras and a S2000 witch I have now...So that why I am asking you people who have a little bit more knolwedge in the prelude field for advice...Point me in the right direction...Post some site links for pistions ETC I have none and I will do the rest myself

 

Let me restate myself.

"A JRSC on an 11:1 oem cast piston and AFC combo would be hilarious to watch."

Obviously an S2k will hold boost much better at much higher CRs with it's OEM forged pistons.

 

mgags7-Thank you man...There truely is atleast on decent member on Honda-Tech...We know that 350 on a Supercharger is going to be hard but thats why we want to go that way...His last Integra made 457FWHP and 363TQ on 23.5 PSI (I know it is alot of boost but they used more to get the TQ where they wanted it) But anyway man thanks for the links....ETc you have been a big help

 

I know what your saying my Internals are good up to 450HP..But tuning is everything it can be done and the H22 has alot more to offer when it comes to aftermarket then my S2000...We use some H22,H23,F23 Parts to build The F20C for high HP and TQ....I can have AEBS make me a forged Type S pistion if needed....They are already doing the block for us.....We have a 13K spending limit This is an achivable goal everday street driven.....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JayStyles662 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I know what your saying my Internals are good up to 450HP..But tuning is everything it can be done and the H22 has alot more to offer when it comes to aftermarket then my S2000...We use some H22,H23,F23 Parts to build The F20C for high HP and TQ....I can have AEBS make me a forged Type S pistion if needed....They are already doing the block for us.....We have a 13K spending limit This is an achivable goal everday street driven.....</TD></TR></TABLE>

What's so special about Type-S pistons? There are plenty of forged aftermarket pistons available in varying compression ratios. You'll definitely need a built block at any rate.

Anyway, have fun going for big power on a JRSC. It's non-intercooled, and non-intercoolable, so you'll need a bit of magic to crack 300whp, as you can't just crank up the boost very much. Boost more, and heat levels start to rise dramatically. 300whp is generally what I've seen thrown around cited for an (entirely hypothetical) setup with an endyn re-worked blower, custom header, blah blah blah.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Featherfire &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Anyway, have fun going for big power on a JRSC. It's non-intercooled, and non-intercoolable, so you'll need a bit of magic to crack 300whp, as you can't just crank up the boost very much. Boost more, and heat levels start to rise dramatically.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Agreed. Even if you were to hit 300-350 whp, dont expect it to remain a constant power number.

Heatsoak is your enemy...

 

Switch the VAFC for an S300, and get a Skunk2 intake and throttle body. For cams, I'd suggest Crower Stage 2 FI, or Stage 3

 

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skunk2 intake/throttle body with a jrsc??? :hammerhead:

anyways.. like stated earlier, heat is your biggest enemy. what's the largest pulley available for the jrsc anyways? if he wants to waste all that money to try to make 350 on a supercharged h22 go right ahead. but turbo would be soooooo much easier. what are your reasons for not wanting to go turbo? just build the motor with some aebs sleeves, crower rods, cp pistons and slap just about any turbo kit on it except the greddy and find a good tuner and there goes your 350.

 

You do know that your not gonna be able to get 20lbs of boost out of that charger right?

Even the knew jackson for the k motors is maxed at 11 psi or so. Then its thermal efficiency is shot. (that blower is also more efficiend than the older designs)

But rsx's have made over 300 whp with them.

Three things should do it. Engine management and big injectors (not vafc), blower at 10 lbs or so, and dry shot of nitrous to cool the flow(and add power)

 

Would you want compression that high for an FI build-up?

 

maybe a custom blower from vortech is in order...if the jrsc cant make the boost, then a custom vortech might do it...

but at that point you may as well turbo...

 

I would love for somebody to get a custum vortech supercharger made for the h22. and I would be sure that with an intercooled vortech he would be alot closer to his mark then with the jacksonracing.

But hes going to spend a ton of monery for someone to fabricate the brackets for the charger. Hey if he does do it I want to be the first one to buy the bracket.

He can do the high comp as long as he does a really good tune and he defiantly is going to need a hondata s300 no doubt about.

Just remeber if you go anyother piston then oem you HAVE to sleeve the block. I mean unless you like ruinning h22s.

I would say if you are going with cams go with a FI cam or a turbo cam.

Also is your what do you have done to the s200 to get 333whp at 5.5psi.

 

I have a friend that had a 1992 civic cx that ran a H22A, That made 311 WHP.
Set Up was Custom Procharger Kit with air to air cooled,
Fully built, head,block,ect.........
F.A.S.T ems
It was in the $15,000+ price range!!!
So bro im a All Motor guy,but Turbo is the way to go!

 

Plus, who tf wants to change belts every 6-8k I'm not a fan of FI myself on motors like this, but I'd select a turbo unit before I bothered w/ the JSRC. Too limiting.