Race video from inside the car #78 H4 Integra Edik Stepanyan.
October 9, Buttonwillow West Coast Honda Challenge.

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you can read the race report here:
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1400074

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Modified by EdoMoto at 9:27 PM 10/15/2005

 

Sweet, I was bummed when I thought I wouldnt see any more of these.

 

Hmmm. So you call that getting squeezed? I call it a defensive line. Squeezed is when the two cars are already side by side. Like when you "squeezed" Steve off in turn one at Willow last month.

Edik, you were a full second a lap faster than Steve last weekend. Why you felt it necessary to try and out-brake him in the marbles when he's taking a defensive line is more the issue than why Steve ran an early apex. The safe move for you would have been to duck behind him, take the wider and better line and pass him at the exit. You've got better corner exit torque than him anyway. What the hell are you trying to prove by dive bombing him on the inside? It's a bad move and you should know better.

I like you both and think you're both good racers. But whatever bullshit is going on emotionally between you guys is clouding your judgment. When it happens once, you brush it off. But when you pull crap like that two events in a row to the same guy it makes you look like a nooob and less of a gentleman than I know you are.

There's no prize money, and you've already got the championship. Learn to pass outside or on the exits. Its time to move on...




Modified by thawley at 1:35 PM 10/15/2005

 

thanks Edik...I needed a break from studying and this video will well suit my need for a break...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by thawley &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hmmm. So you call that getting squeezed? I call it a defensive line. Squeezed is when the two cars are already side by side. Like when you "squeezed" Steve off in turn one at Willow last month.
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I didn't "squeeze" Steve off in turn one at WS, I accidentally hit the burm and slid up into him. Defensive, is that when you try to push someone off the track?
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Edik, you were a full second a lap faster than Steve last weekend. Why you felt it necessary to try and out-brake him in the marbles when he's taking a defensive line is more the issue than why Steve ran an early apex. The safe move for you would have been to duck behind him, take the wider and better line and pass him at the exit. You've got better corner exit torque than him anyway. What the hell are you trying to prove by dive bombing him on the inside? It's a bad move and you should know better.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I only had one really fast lap, the other lap times were similar to Steve's. He can drive defensive like that and I can't drive offensive?
I didn't push him into the marbles. We both went into the corner late and he couldn't hang on. I didn't even touch him. He ran an early apex? He was pushing me into the dirt every time I tried to pass. I wasn't dive bombing, we went into the corner side-by-side, watch the video again.
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I like you both and think you're both good racers. But whatever bullshit is going on emotionally between you guys is clouding your judgment. When it happens once, you brush it off. But when you pull crap like that two events in a row to the same guy it makes you look like a nooob and less of a gentleman than I know you are.
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And I don't know what's going on with Steve, I went to shake his hand at WS and he slapped my hand away. And ask him what he pulled on my brother at BW too.

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There's no prize money, and you've already got the championship. Learn to pass outside or on the exits. Its time to move on...</TD></TR></TABLE>

I don't have the champoinship, he still has a chance, I'm sure Steve knows about it.

And I don't know what you have against me. I've never done anything wrong to you and all of a sudden you attack me on a different thread.


Anyway we go to the track to have a good time. NO matter what anyone thinks.

 

Damn souns like there some drama in H4

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by thawley &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hmmm. So you call that getting squeezed? I call it a defensive line. Squeezed is when the two cars are already side by side. Like when you "squeezed" Steve off in turn one at Willow last month.

Edik, you were a full second a lap faster than Steve last weekend. Why you felt it necessary to try and out-brake him in the marbles when he's taking a defensive line is more the issue than why Steve ran an early apex. The safe move for you would have been to duck behind him, take the wider and better line and pass him at the exit. You've got better corner exit torque than him anyway. What the hell are you trying to prove by dive bombing him on the inside? It's a bad move and you should know better.

I like you both and think you're both good racers. But whatever bullshit is going on emotionally between you guys is clouding your judgment. When it happens once, you brush it off. But when you pull crap like that two events in a row to the same guy it makes you look like a nooob and less of a gentleman than I know you are.

There's no prize money, and you've already got the championship. Learn to pass outside or on the exits. Its time to move on...
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Looks like he got squeezed to me. Could Edik have waited until a better time to pass? Probably. But from the looks of the video up until that point, it is apparent that Steve was going to block/squeeze/whatever no matter what.

If you are going to play that game, you have to accept the consequences.

 

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Looks like he got squeezed to me. Could Edik have waited until a better time to pass? Probably. But from the looks of the video up until that point, it is apparent that Steve was going to block/squeeze/whatever no matter what.

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Just how I feel Rick. Amazing how we usually see eye to eye on most things!

Come now John, last month was no squeeze. That was an error, a mistake, not intentional.
I feel that if you are going to take a defensive line, you do it before the person makes the move down the inside. If you want to take the inside away, you do it before the other car is there. I think that's pretty simple. Now most of us will move over a bit to make it harder for the passing car to come out quick, but that was a little more than a bit!

I got "squeezed" right off the track on Sunday in Magic Mountain. Went up on 2 wheels and damn near rolled (pulled a Johnny mac)! I don't think he saw me make the pass, but still, I got pushed right off. I still came back to make a different pass, but the chop was still annoying.

 

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That was off handed, and I'm sorry. I was just a little surprised (in the other thread) that you would point the finger at the other driver for "squeezing" you when it was YOU that the race director gave a very stern talking to after the same incident. He made a move toward the inside line, came half way across the track and stopped. He did not hit you or force you off the track. What he did do was take your optimum line. At that point a little voice should have gone off in your head. Hey, he took the line I wanted. I'm in the marbles. I'm gonna have to brake early so I can make the turn without hitting him. But you got the red mist. You didn't listen to the inner voice of reason. And you tried a bone-head move.

What has me agitated is that you (typically) don't even take partial responsibility for the situation. Even if I agreed that he "squeezed" you into the marbles, does that give you a free pass to hit him or force him off the road?

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Well, you did ask for it...

More to the point, I don't have anything against you. I like you. But I am very disappointed in your inability to accept responsibility for your mistakes, ever admit you were wrong, or to apologize for when you've been out of line.

This very thread is the first time you've admitted any fault whatsoever for the turn-one Willow incident last month. (https://honda-tech.com/zero...age=2) You and your crew were all over this forum about how Steve turned down on you at the same time you were moving up. And it just didn't happen that way. When Jeremy's video went up and showed exactly what did happen, you said nothing. You guys just modified your posts and quietly retracted your harsh words from the thread.

Now you're talking like you drove around with a halo on last week and Steve was pushing you around, but you removed the video link as soon as I commented on it and brought it into question. (A similar cover-up occurred last month when Harut's photo page had uninterrupted and sequential frame numbers except when you and Steve were in turn One together: then there a few frames missing...) And what of this news that you DON'T have the championship sewn up? Were you relieved of some points last weekend? What on earth for? You did nothing wrong. Perhaps you could tell us about your post race chat with Ryan...

As for Steve's behavior toward you off track, I don't know about it, and I won't defend his character outside the cockpit.

I think you're a nice guy. All your family and crew, as well. It just pisses me off that every incident, every questionable move and every error that occurs in proximity to your car on the track is seen by you as somebody elses fault. None of us are perfect. And even if you just pretended to be open minded person with some degree of humility, all of this would be a lot less of an issue.

That's it for me. I've gone to far already. I like all you guys and don't want to stir up more **** than I have already. I am sorry for the public scolding I've turned this into. Poor judgment on my part starting it in the first place.

best,

Thawley


Modified by thawley at 10:28 AM 10/16/2005

 

wow, so the other 120 people that downloaded the video had nothing to say?

When Edik is approached by a faster car in H4, he doesn't try to "squeeze" them and doesn't go off his line, like at the last WS race. Seems like Edik always has to be the one being the cautious guy out there, he did that last year. Plus there were numerous contacts last year between Edik and other drivers, we didn't complain about it and nothing was done about the contacts either. I think it's his turn to be the aggressive one.


Didn't seem like Steve was hit or pushed off the road, he went off because he braked too late.


our posts were modified before that, and like Tigran said, he took it to heart, he even pm'd you about it.

I'm sorry, but you could still see the full video and watch those segments.

WOW, you got it ALL wrong, I did not take out ANY frames of them in turn one when that hapenned, the picture after them in the straight is them two right in front of me and the one after that is of Jeremy following behind them. If you really want those pics, I could send them to you, or even a snapshot of the screen to show when the pics were taken would work too.


? Remember that you have to drop 3 races at the end of the year.

You try so hard to defend his driving though.

do you know how many incidents Edik's been in? seems like you only know the ones that we argue about.

best,

Harut

 

Well, its nice of you to defend my comments made toward your brother. Looks like I'm all wrong, as usual. Even when limiting myself to discussing only those events I attended and saw for myself, I still can't get it right. Guess I'm just not very observant. Sorry.

Maybe you can answer a few questions to set me straight:
• How is it that Steve is blamed for braked too late and going off course when the camera in Edo's car clearly shows evidence of his wheels locking and nearly going off course himself? Where would you suggest Steve should have gone except off course? (See "squeeze 3" in the video you took down)
• When was the last time Edik was approached by a faster car in H4 to even have the opportunity hold his line and not squeeze?
• What did Ryan and Edo talk about after the race on Sunday? (Might be best to let Edo field that one, since you weren't there to my recollection.)
• Why does Edo continue to try and out brake a lighter CRX or take the aggressive inside line when he clearly has enough power to just pass him on the straight like he did after "squeeze 2" in the video you took down?
• And why did you take that video down?

Please do not confuse my comments about Edik's on track actions with a defense of Steve's. Steve can take care of himself. I'd just like to see some behavioral driving changes made before I'm the guy getting hit or pushed off track in mid-turn (two events in a row)...


Modified by thawley at 1:54 PM 10/16/2005

 

Awesome video and driving guys. I really enjoyed that and learned a lot. I'll watch it a few more times before my next race.


Modified by Kenji M at 1:28 AM 10/17/2005

 

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• How is it that Steve is blamed for braked too late and going off course when the camera in Edo's car clearly shows evidence of his wheels locking and nearly going off course himself? Where would you suggest Steve should have gone except off course? (See "squeeze 3" in the video you took down)</TD></TR></TABLE>

He shouldn't have pulled on Edik in the first place, then he wouldn't have gone off.


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• When was the last time Edik was approached by a faster car in H4 to even have the opportunity hold his line and not squeeze?
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let me name some names, Thomas Okihisa, Rick Hohwart, Jeremy Croisset.
Ask them about Edik's driving style.
Edik has never squeezed anybody like the way Steve has.

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• Why does Edo continue to try and out brake a lighter CRX or take the aggressive inside line when he clearly has enough power to just pass him on the straight like he did after "squeeze 2" in the video you took down?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Because he has bigger brakes and he can.
And the car has exact power/weight ratio as a CRX, more torque? so what, he has alot more weight.
Because it doesn't matter, he'll still get squeezed no matter what, just like what Rick said.

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• And why did you take that video down?</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Please do not confuse my comments about Edik's on track actions with a defense of Steve's. Steve can take care of himself. I'd just like to see some behavioral driving changes made before I'm the guy getting hit or pushed off track in mid-turn (two events in a row)... </TD></TR></TABLE>

The times that Edik has passed you, he passed you cleanly didn't he?
Edik has never dive bombed anybody either, that's not his style.

What do you say to the way Steve drives and dive bombs to pass Edik, we have never said anything about that.

I'm sure when the time comes for you to pass Edik, he'll let you by easily.

I'm done arguing with you Thawley, I said what I had to say
Hope you had fun at Laguna, can't wait to see more of your pics.
Have a nice day, and see you at BW.


Sweet, the guys at work should have some nice entertaining reading to do during the weekday. Enjoy guys.

 

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cool, sounds like you'll be coming down.

we'll be running Counter Clockwise with the star mazda turn though.
I think we ran that config in June, you can find the videos here:
http://www.edomoto.com/videos.html

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Looks like he got squeezed to me. Could Edik have waited until a better time to pass? Probably. But from the looks of the video up until that point, it is apparent that Steve was going to block/squeeze/whatever no matter what.

If you are going to play that game, you have to accept the consequences.
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hope to see you out there soon too Rick.

 

Harut, I was wrong to address you in the first place.

Edik, do you agree with everything your brother has said? Can we assume from this thread that you believe that turn-one at Willow and Sunset (last turn at Buttonwillow) are 100% Steve's fault? Because that's what it sounds like you/Harut are saying to me.

Care to speak your mind, Edo, and let Harut sit this one out? It would be nice to hear you address my questions since your driving is what I'm commenting on.

I'm really not trying to be a pest of a bully, I'm just trying to see the gentlemanly side of you that I've met in person.

 

enough with the crying....geeeeeeeeeeez
sound like of bunch of 4th graders

 

actually, I'll be racing at THunderhill end of this month hopefully.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by thawley &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Can we assume from this thread that you believe that turn-one at Willow and Sunset (last turn at Buttonwillow) are 100% Steve's fault? Because that's what it sounds like you/Harut are saying to me.

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Please go back and read our posts, we didn't say that WS incident was completely anyone's fault. And to me, nothing happened at BW, there was no contact.

Back to my finishing up my HW.

 

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Please go back and read our posts, we didn't say that WS incident was completely anyone's fault. And to me, nothing happened at BW, there was no contact.
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thats what im saying whats up with thawley?

 

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Can we assume from this thread that you believe that turn-one at Willow and Sunset (last turn at Buttonwillow) are 100% Steve's fault? Because that's what it sounds like you/Harut are saying to me. </TD></TR></TABLE>


I will just add this. We ( I and My team) did not blame any of the incidents on anyone. I myself dont like contact but love close racing. When contact occures
while racing fender to fender its called a racing incident. Its not like I rammed anyone off the track. Its the other party that tries to pin everything on me.
Here is my driving style, What ever you can dish against me i can/will return the favor. Play nice i will be very nice, Play rough and you know what i mean. If i have a chance to pass i will try to make it i will not sit back while steve blocks every corner that i can make a passs at.

And this is just for fun people, its amateur racing. Not the world finals.

So lets just have fun and stop the blame game.




Modified by EdoMoto at 5:28 PM 10/17/2005

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by thawley &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> • Why does Edo continue to try and out brake a lighter CRX or take the aggressive inside line when he clearly has enough power to just pass him on the straight like he did after "squeeze 2" in the video you took down?

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Honestly in my experience, a CRX isnt always the best braking car. Sure it can be a lighter car and so braking might be easier, but the energy the brakes need to disipate is in this equation: KE = 1/2mv^2

where m = the mass of your vehicle. Its a small variable compared to the speed (v) they are traveling at. Also, the shorter wheel base on the CRX would make it so that less braking can be done at the rear compared to an Integra.

Anyway, from this arguement, Edo has a perfectly good reason to try to out brake a CRX.

As for the rest of the drama, and to fck with SteveO's mind a little bit, he was in Bernardo's car and well, watching all those vids of B's agressive (and most of the time admirable ) driving, maybe Steve began to think like B? I would find myself changing my driving style a little bit if I were in the same situation.

Don't forget when you're on the track, sometimes there isn't enough time to think, you just have to react. This reimds me of a Top Gun quote but I cannot think of it right now...Then again it's H4 and there probably is enough time to think about what you are doing and have enough time left over to think about what you are going to do for dinner later that night


WCHC H4

 

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Don't forget when you're on the track, sometimes there isn't enough time to think, you just have to react. This reimds me of a Top Gun quote but I cannot think of it right now...Then again it's H4 and there probably is enough time to think about what you are doing and have enough time left over to think about what you are going to do for dinner later that night


WCHC H4

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The quote was "You don't have time to think up there, if you think, your dead!"
That was a GREAT movie!

So, are you saying that you could brew and enjoy a cup of coffee while in between corners in our slow H4 cars Bota?

 

So now back to Top Gun

 

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Great...uh, I don't think so. It was a good but not great.

Now Army of Darkness was a great movie!

 

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The quote was "You don't have time to think up there, if you think, your dead!"
That was a GREAT movie!

So, are you saying that you could brew and enjoy a cup of coffee while in between corners in our slow H4 cars Bota?
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Thanks for the quote

Actually I remember thinking about some weird **** back in the day when I used to just walk away from the field at Willow Springs. Now that track can give you time to think! Its gets boring when you have no one to go bumper to bumper with...but I was just messin with you guys because I am jealous that I'm not a part of the mix. Some of the best racing I've seen is with you H4 guys.