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Old Oct 14, 2005 | 02:39 PM
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Default battle of the d16 blocks: d16a6, d16z6, d16y5, d16y7, d16y8

so i've searched and searched but i haven't been able to find anything.
I am currently building a crazy setup with a y5 head and i'm looking for a d16 block. A friend of mine has a d16a6 block, but i don't know if it would be better to get this a6 or look for a d16y*

i know that they all nearly identical, but what's the differences between these?
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Old Oct 14, 2005 | 02:44 PM
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The fundamental architecture of the D-series hasn't changed in some 15+ years, there have been small revisions made here and there, but nothing to really give one block a clear advantage over another. From my experience, it seems like the Y variants tend to spin bearings less often than their Z cousin's, but that's just my observation. Personally, I'd go for the newest possible block just for the low-mileage factor.
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Old Oct 14, 2005 | 02:46 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VTC_CiViC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The fundamental architecture of the D-series hasn't changed in some 15+ years, there have been small revisions made here and there, but nothing to really give one block a clear advantage over another. From my experience, it seems like the Y variants tend to spin bearings less often than their Z cousin's, but that's just my observation. Personally, I'd go for the newest possible block just for the low-mileage factor.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i have thought about this, however i plan on putting new rings, bearings and seals in whatever block i end up with.
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Old Oct 15, 2005 | 09:50 AM
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Old Oct 15, 2005 | 10:07 AM
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first off, why the Vtec-E head. that is probably the worst one you could use. just go buy a complete Z6. even though i have a turbo y8, the z6 is easier because of the obd1.
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Old Oct 15, 2005 | 10:33 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bluemax189 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">first off, why the Vtec-E head. that is probably the worst one you could use. </TD></TR></TABLE>

lol very true...you wont be going very fast at all, but you can save gas...


i would just say put on a z6 head w/ a y8 headgasket and be done

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Old Oct 15, 2005 | 04:38 PM
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come on guys, ROLLER ROCKERS AND A MORE AGGRESSIVE CAM!
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Old Oct 15, 2005 | 06:22 PM
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You guys have forgotten the JDM D16A, 140hp SOHC VTEC came in (as far as I know) the few EG coupes that came out in Japan and the 92-95 Domanis. That, my friends is the best D series motor imo. Rare but existant.
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Old Oct 15, 2005 | 07:22 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VTC_CiViC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The fundamental architecture of the D-series hasn't changed in some 15+ years, there have been small revisions made here and there, but nothing to really give one block a clear advantage over another. From my experience, it seems like the Y variants tend to spin bearings less often than their Z cousin's, but that's just my observation. Personally, I'd go for the newest possible block just for the low-mileage factor.</TD></TR></TABLE>

In my area I personally know of at least 10 people with spun bearings in y8's, and only 1 spun bearing in a z6 (i did it... with nitrous)
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Old Oct 15, 2005 | 11:41 PM
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ditto on the Y8 Bearing issues. Most of the Y8's that end up for sale in my area have a spun bearing in them and around 60k miles or more. Most of the Z6's are still running strong, and they have 150k + on them.
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Old Oct 16, 2005 | 12:19 AM
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ummm damnit I have a y8, just curious if I don't run it to 6k rpm every day like I currently do will it be alright?
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Old Oct 16, 2005 | 03:59 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fast88std &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You guys have forgotten the JDM D16A, 140hp SOHC VTEC came in (as far as I know) the few EG coupes that came out in Japan and the 92-95 Domanis. That, my friends is the best D series motor imo. Rare but existant. </TD></TR></TABLE>

hmmm never heard or seen anything bout it....do you have anymore info on it?
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Old Oct 16, 2005 | 05:52 PM
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a6.
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Old Oct 16, 2005 | 06:00 PM
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He means the JDM SOHC ZC VTEC, which are not rated at 140 but more like 130. Identical to the D16Z6 but there are rumors that it comes with a more aggressive cam.
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Old Oct 16, 2005 | 06:01 PM
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from what ive read A6's are supposedly the best cause they have steel or iron (forget which) main caps not aluminum like 92+ D's.
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Old Oct 16, 2005 | 06:30 PM
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complete z6, y8 headgasket, y5 sparkplugs works best i think
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Old Oct 16, 2005 | 06:43 PM
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ZC is dohc non vtec
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Old Oct 16, 2005 | 07:00 PM
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Wrong, ZC came in two sohc forms, one vtec OBD1 and the other non vtec OBD0. Along with the DOHC ZC version
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Old Oct 16, 2005 | 08:30 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CoreyR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">from what ive read A6's are supposedly the best cause they have steel or iron (forget which) main caps not aluminum like 92+ D's.</TD></TR></TABLE>

correct. this is a great block to use because of its strength. i would go with a JDM d15b, an a6 or a z6 in that order. since youre already building a head, the factory HP levels are going to be the same anyway. the JDM d15 has slightly smaller displacement, but has a better R/S ratio and is more suited for high rpms. stay away from any of the Y motors. they have a re-designed oil pump that restricts oil flow by over 35%. THAT is why people with EK+ civics report more spun bearings.

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Old Oct 17, 2005 | 12:12 AM
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right on
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Old Oct 17, 2005 | 12:47 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ace0246 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ditto on the Y8 Bearing issues. Most of the Y8's that end up for sale in my area have a spun bearing in them and around 60k miles or more. Most of the Z6's are still running strong, and they have 150k + on them.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I can add to the statistic. My Y8 just spun 2 bearings. That thing was taken care of and it still **** a brick on me. All i had was I/H/E and an AEM cam gear set @ +4
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Old Oct 18, 2005 | 08:52 PM
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I can add to the statistic. My Y8 just spun 2 bearings. That thing was taken care of and it still **** a brick on me. All i had was I/H/E and an AEM cam gear set @ +4</TD></TR></TABLE>

yep. my neighbor is a 40-ish yr old woman with an 98 automatic 4dr LX. she spun a bearing around 85k last year. does that mean that the y-series motors are junk? no, but if you are planning on quickening your engine up, i would avoid them. good oilflow keeps your engine alive.
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Old Feb 9, 2010 | 11:07 AM
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That might be a stretch. Oil pumps from y's are what destroys them, they **** the bed all the time. The way to do it is swap out the y oil pump for say a z6 oil pump and you should be golden.
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Old Feb 10, 2010 | 04:20 AM
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my buddy just hit 320k miles in a d16z6 stock 94 ex coupe. i would either do the z6 or a d16a6 with a d16z6 head(to keep it odb1 less wiring issues)
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Old Feb 10, 2010 | 04:48 AM
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If u are looking to build a motor for n/a why not run the d16b5 it stock is 12:5:1 compression
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