for N/A purposes i heard sleeving is like 1000$ and i want to put high compression pistons in my block or oem oversized ones

will h22 head fit f22 block ?

f22 block is just as good as h22 right ?, only with f22 u dont have to sleeve when puting aftermarket pistons

 

The f22 block is a lot stronger due to its ductile iron sleeves, the blocks them selves were cast identicly except the h has diffferent sleeves, bottom end, and head.

 

Its not necessarily better, the H just has more performance parts available to it since its' a dual cam performance engine vs. the F's more economical role.

 

so is it a good idea to swap ?

the h22 head does fit on the f22 tho ?

 

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In my opinion the f22 block is better. It has iron sleeves so you are correct, it won't need resleeved for forged pistons. The h22's bottom end is built to rev higher.
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Yes, it will fit. No, it's not bolt on. Search for g23 to find some write-ups.

 

Yes, the h22 head does fit the f22 block

 

you'll need the crank and pistons, and head, then you'll have to have the block shaved since it's taller, then you'll have a serious g22/g23

 

IMO the h22 is better for N/A because the aftermarket available and the F22 is better for boosting

 

You guys are a bunch of freaking morons, if it was that easy to switch over why don't you think more ppl do it? For one they have way different oil passages. Second cooling is a bitch because you have to custom make your piping. Third you have an extra cam so you can't use the same belt and sprockets. Hybrids are a rare breed for a freaking reason. Search around there's a guy who built a turbo setup with F block and H head that has about 20 pages of headache he wrote up.

Its not an issue of which block is better its an issue of what they're designed to do. The F is a depandable every day driver block, the H is made for HIGHER compression and lower tolerances. Crank, pistons, rods, to my knowledge everything is different. 2.2L F block vs. 2.0L H-block; thats 8.8-1 compression vs. 11-1 compression. Those numbers gotta come from somewhere.

 

the f22 and h22 block are the exact same casting. the only difference is the sleeve materail was made of FRM for the h22 so that it could use a larger bore without sacfificing strength or reliability. There may be a few slight oil passage differneces but the basic casting is identical.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Schmitey &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You guys are a bunch of freaking morons, if it was that easy to switch over why don't you think more ppl do it? For one they have way different oil passages. Second cooling is a bitch because you have to custom make your piping. Third you have an extra cam so you can't use the same belt and sprockets. Hybrids are a rare breed for a freaking reason. Search around there's a guy who built a turbo setup with F block and H head that has about 20 pages of headache he wrote up.

Its not an issue of which block is better its an issue of what they're designed to do. The F is a depandable every day driver block, the H is made for HIGHER compression and lower tolerances. Crank, pistons, rods, to my knowledge everything is different. 2.2L F block vs. 2.0L H-block; thats 8.8-1 compression vs. 11-1 compression. Those numbers gotta come from somewhere.

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You need to not comment when you don't know what you're talking about. You're part of the reason why people never do anything with F22's

The f22 is a stronger block, period. and you can swap the parts over, period. H22 crank and rods are shorter, so you'd have to mill the block, but it can work. I know a guy that has an F22 with H22 crank, and H23 head. Building it wasn't any harder than rebuilding a normal F22. BTW the F22 and H22 motors are 2.2L. The guy who did it before had so many problems because he was figuring everything out as he went. Becuase of his write-up it's become much easier to do.

HOWEVER.

the original post was asking about this for N/A purposes. The H22 sleeves are fine for N/A, no need to sleeve, or to switch blocks

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by thehatchninja &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> You need to not comment when you don't know what you're talking about. You're part of the reason why people never do anything with F22's

The f22 is a stronger block, period. and you can swap the parts over, period. H22 crank and rods are shorter, so you'd have to mill the block, but it can work. I know a guy that has an F22 with H22 crank, and H23 head. Building it wasn't any harder than rebuilding a normal F22. BTW the F22 and H22 motors are 2.2L. The guy who did it before had so many problems because he was figuring everything out as he went. Becuase of his write-up it's become much easier to do.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Alright so you may have me on swapping parts, but I'd certainly upgrade the valvetrain for the higher compression. Second I still hold that the H22 does not belong on an F22, H23 is a whole different ballpark. Here's the link if you don't believe me https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=776837

no hard feelings man, we were both wrong and had our points


Modified by Schmitey at 9:54 PM 10/13/2005

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Schmitey &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You guys are a bunch of freaking morons, if it was that easy to switch over why don't you think more ppl do it? For one they have way different oil passages. Second cooling is a bitch because you have to custom make your piping. Third you have an extra cam so you can't use the same belt and sprockets. Hybrids are a rare breed for a freaking reason. Search around there's a guy who built a turbo setup with F block and H head that has about 20 pages of headache he wrote up.

Its not an issue of which block is better its an issue of what they're designed to do. The F is a depandable every day driver block, the H is made for HIGHER compression and lower tolerances. Crank, pistons, rods, to my knowledge everything is different. 2.2L F block vs. 2.0L H-block; thats 8.8-1 compression vs. 11-1 compression. Those numbers gotta come from somewhere.

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coolent pipes????

 

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You need to not comment when you don't know what you're talking about. You're part of the reason why people never do anything with F22's

The f22 is a stronger block, period. and you can swap the parts over, period. H22 crank and rods are shorter, so you'd have to mill the block, but it can work. I know a guy that has an F22 with H22 crank, and H23 head. Building it wasn't any harder than rebuilding a normal F22. BTW the F22 and H22 motors are 2.2L. The guy who did it before had so many problems because he was figuring everything out as he went. Becuase of his write-up it's become much easier to do.

HOWEVER.

the original post was asking about this for N/A purposes. The H22 sleeves are fine for N/A, no need to sleeve, or to switch blocks</TD></TR></TABLE>
werd

 

yeah the h22 head sticks out a little with the extra cam and going off memory he couldn't reach a hose around to it or the metal pipe conflicted with the head or something. He had to weld something together for it, not that big a deal. And let me clarify again, anything is possible I just don't want anyone to try it over the weekend without knowing what they're getting into.

 

i woudl argue the f22 is NOT any stronger than the h22. Iron is not the strongest material around, its just friendler with forged pistons.
ALso the oil galleries and main bearing cars are completely identical between the h22/23 and f22, i know this becuase i used a set of them from an f22 on an h22 block, had to be align honed but they worked, same with the rear main seal housing...

 

yeah but i dont want to have my oem h22 pistons i want something higher compression and i got 500$to waste on pistons so its iether type S pistons but it wont make the compression that higher and higher in hp right ?

but if i instal aftermarket higher comperssion then type S even if the pistons were STD size i'll still have to sleeve right ? thats y i cant blow money on sleeving and wanted the non sleeving f22 block\

 

just get an h22 and slap in some type s pistons, cams and call it a day.

 

my head is already done up its all about the block if i just add type S pistons i will onlymake 220whp i want 240-260whp...

my head is has p and p, stage 2 crower, springs retainers, manley valves, and cam gears,

 

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Iron may not be the strongest material around, but the iron sleeves in the f22 are a lot stronger (and thicker) than the frm sleeves in the h22. That's why it's a stronger block.

Adam: Getting that extra power is going to cost more than $500. But you could put in type S pistons and mill your head or block a little bit. Also I don't know if you've done any work on your throttlebody and intake manifold but that would help.

 

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true. If you're after some nice, simple power, do this. If you want to play Dr. Frankenstein

F22a block, milled
H22 head
h22a1 crank
Forged H22 or F22 rods (whichever yields a better r/s
Forged pistons
-throw on a block guard, boost it and make 450hp revving to 8k and waving your dick around at all the people that told you to just build/sleeve the h22

 

wouldnt that be nice