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Old Oct 11, 2005 | 12:06 PM
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Default Master Cylinder Brace where?

Where can i get one of these? I found one listed on site and ordered it, then got refund stating it is no longer in production. If you know of any websites or company's besides Drive that make these let me know. Not sure if this is the right forum or not.

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Old Oct 11, 2005 | 12:41 PM
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What is it? Got a picture? Never heard of one.........
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Old Oct 11, 2005 | 01:31 PM
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for what car?
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Old Oct 13, 2005 | 11:18 AM
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I’m not sure if there is any company in North America make it. All of them I saw are from Japan and designed for right hand drive vehicle. Below is my custom made one. It make out of ¼ inch full stainless steel.

http://members.shaw.ca/v67gsr/Brake%20Brace.htm
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Old Oct 13, 2005 | 11:29 AM
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Default Re: Master Cylinder Brace where? (v67-gsr)

do you notice a difference since youve been using the brace?


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by v67-gsr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I’m not sure if there is any company in North America make it. All of them I saw are from Japan and designed for right hand drive vehicle. Below is my custom made one. It make out of ¼ inch full stainless steel.

http://members.shaw.ca/v67gsr/Brake%20Brace.htm
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Old Oct 13, 2005 | 01:46 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by superpho &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">do you notice a difference since youve been using the brace?


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Difference is minimal on daily driving (slow brake paddle movement). However, in autoX and track, it works really well. Brake is more precise and responsive to paddle input. I strongly recommend it. Only draw back is the sudden change of brake input need time to adjust. My ABS kick in all the time in the first few events after I installed it (old braking technique on a more responsive system = ABS).
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Old Oct 13, 2005 | 07:45 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by itrsport.com &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

After HybridGSR1 posted a picture of this brace on H-T last week I decided to give it a test. I received the brace promptly in the mail from evasivemotorsports just three days ago.
http://www.evasivemotorsports.com

Here are my experiences and thoughts regarding this product.

This unit is very high quality – solid and well engineered design that fits perfect. You need to remove the strut tower bar for accessing this area. The simple instructions are easy to follow. It’s not too difficult to install, however it takes some dexterity to install the bolt adjacent to the brake fluid reservoir due to the space constraints. If you have the right tools you can do the install in about 15 minutes.

Driving Impressions:
You can defiantly feel a difference right away with even light to moderate breaking. What this means is that brake pedal travel is shorter and you’ll notice a stiffer feel. This brace does not allow the master cylinder / firewall to flex, period.

Here’s the interesting part of the story. People who promote master cylinder braces say that the stiffer brake feel results in, “greatly improving brake feel and sensitivity”. My experience was just the opposite. The stiff pedal feel and (slightly) shorter pedal travel actually left me with less break feedback and what seemed like less control. The shorter pedal travel lead to vague brake feel and actually diminished my ability to modulate the brake pedal for less controlled stopping. Am I the only one who has this perception?

The manufacturer claims that it will “reduced brake fade” too. I never thought it would do that and still can’t imagine that a brace could accomplish this task. I drove around for a couple days with this brace and came to the conclusion that I definitely prefer the feel without a master cylinder brace.

I did not purchase this unit thinking it would actually improve breaking, but rather had the inclination that it may heighten my driving enjoyment and maybe improve brake control. This was not the case for me.

Brake setup: Spoon Calipers / Axxis Ultimate Pads / Motul 600 Brake Fluid / Stock Brake Lines

That being said, my slightly used Drive master cylinder brace is for sale. I paid $90 plus shipping. First person interested gets it for $65 shipped (paypal). It’s defiantly the best built and best designed MC brace I’ve seen. If you want to try one this is a great opportunity to test it out for yourself. Keep in mind that nearly everyone else who has posted on H-T that has experience with these braces (including other brands and DIY versions) has liked the brake feel improvement. Looks like I’m in the minority.

-Josh
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Old Oct 14, 2005 | 08:41 AM
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Default Re: Master Cylinder Brace where? (z6 coupe)

The picture z6 coupe placed int here is what I was looking for. They no longer make that
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Old Oct 14, 2005 | 09:56 AM
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I bought mine off ebay for $50 shipped. It's an identical copy to the drive pictured above except the edges aren't smooth (it's serves its functional purpose). The seller's ebay name was DOHCgarage. He has great feedback and communicates well. I have since bought from him with no problems.
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Old Oct 14, 2005 | 10:11 AM
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cusco also makes one i believe its comes in that cool looking blue. im not sure how sturdy the design is though. hey remember to write a review i really want to know how it improves the cars brakeing.
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Old Oct 14, 2005 | 04:37 PM
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Default Re: Master Cylinder Brace where? (z6 coupe)

I guess you all are too young to remember the days back when some of the ECHCers were trying these out. Turns out that the pressure that little gizmo puts on the shock tower is enough to change the camber when the brakes are pushed hard. Dynamic camber while being deep into the brakes is NOT a good thing, especially when the only benefit of the contraption in the first place is "feel".
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Old Oct 15, 2005 | 04:17 AM
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Default Re: Master Cylinder Brace where? (sscguy)

Damnit, rain on my parade.......


How did they test camber while under hard braking?
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Old Oct 16, 2005 | 04:41 PM
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I don't remember the details unfortunately, just what the outcome was. You can try searching archived topics created by "Warren" (Warren ****).
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Old Oct 16, 2005 | 05:36 PM
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Default Re: Master Cylinder Brace where? (godnf8)

Ok, found it.

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=556902&page=1

He tested it by having someone crank the car and smash the pedal while he looked for flexing of the shock tower. He says it's enough to cause alignment issues. Others have completed the test and say it is very minimal to no flex. He did make an obvious point, these braces don't improve braking or allow for a later brake point (I can vouch for this since I autox SCCA). What it does do is give you a consistent, solid pedal.

My conclusion, I conducted the same test on my MC brace. I have a MC brace that is designed much like the drive unit pictured above. I istalled it by drilling correct size holes in the shock tower that match up to the hardware provided with the brace. I cranked the car up and had my roomate watch it as I smashed the pedal a few times. We then switched while I watched. Both of us agreed there was zero flex (definately none that could be drastic enough to effect alignment). This test being the same one that Warren described he conducted in the thread link I posted above. Since my MC brace doesn't alarm me as to harming any part of the car and it does serve its purpose, I say my MC brace is worth the time and money I have in it.
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Old Oct 16, 2005 | 05:43 PM
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Well, go for it then. I've never had an issue with a soft pedal though, so I wouldn't bother.
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