Hi guys !

I´ll have my R dyno tuned next spring but I´m a little bit unsure about getting a S200
or just going with chip (tuned for my car)

My mods are :

Toda header, highflow cat, 60,3 mm cat back (65mm TB and 310 cc Injectors are coming)

I´m not going to get cams and stuff in the future.

So what gains do you guys think are realtisic with the S200 and a good dyno tuning ?

Thanks

 

Having a ECU that can meet the engines needs will always be better then a preprogramed ECU that has no idea what your motor is doing.

 

Yeah, but wheres the diffenence in gains between a tuned S200 setup or just a tuned chip (except the hondata features like e step, datalogin ect)?

Both done by the same tuner on the dyno for especially my car

 

Yeah but what?
I thought I answered you question rather well.

an ECU that can meet the needs of what your motor has will always out preform better (more WHP) then a chipped ECU such as a Mugen.

And as far as I know the S200 is a hondata...

does anyone want to step in and assisst me with this?

 

i think he's looking for a quantitative analysis rather than a qualitative one.

wish i had some answers for you, one of the best people to ask would be Jack at P1 Auto. He'll give it to you straight with no salesman bs mixed in.

 

Probably 7-10 HP gain would be my guess. But why bother with a 65mm TB and 310 cc injectors if you are not modifying the stroke, bore, or compression?

Anyway, a tunable ECU is always going to be better than a pre-programmed chip as it provides more flexibility to optimally tune your car. Just my .02!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ITR3189 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hi guys !

I´ll have my R dyno tuned next spring but I´m a little bit unsure about getting a S200
or just going with chip (tuned for my car)
</TD></TR></TABLE>

When you say chip do you mean a preprogrammed chip like these guys are talking about or do u mean chip an ecu and run crome or uber and switch to OBD1???

 

^ A pre-programmed chip would be a Mugen, Spoon, etc chip that is not specifically tuned for that car.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Eva01 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Probably 7-10 HP gain would be my guess. But why bother with a 65mm TB and 310 cc injectors if you are not modifying the stroke, bore, or compression?

Anyway, a tunable ECU is always going to be better than a pre-programmed chip as it provides more flexibility to optimally tune your car. Just my .02! </TD></TR></TABLE>

 

Why would you post this in the ITR forum? Makes no sense at all.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Swell_Ryder &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">When you say chip do you mean a preprogrammed chip like these guys are talking about or do u mean chip an ecu and run crome or uber and switch to OBD1???</TD></TR></TABLE>

right, chip an ecu and run uberdata, crome or whatever

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Slick GS-R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why would you post this in the ITR forum? Makes no sense at all.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Why not ? I asked a question about a ITR which is tuned with a S200

Makes sense to me to ask here but I´ll try the Appereance and Cosmetic Forum too

 

OK so we're not talking about preprogrammed Mugens or Spoons you want to run uber or crome..... I haven't had to make the decision on yet but it's always on my mind. WHAT STAND ALONE TO GO WITH. Basically comes down to finances and what kind of stand alone tuners you have in your area. If you only have shops in your area that are knowledgable with Hondata then I would suggest going that route. However, if you can find someone to help you with switching to OBD1 and chipping a P72 or P28 ecu and set up for datalogging and burning chips with ROM burner and they can help you street and dyno tune then go that route. I think it comes down to money and how involved you want to be. Hope this helps and good luck....

 

I hope I didn't get to off topic with your question. As far as what gains to expect from your boltons i'm not really sure. But tuning with either Hondata or Uber or Crome I would expect pretty much the same results..... PZ

 

Thanks for your answer ! That pretty much what I (also) wanted to know.
The reason why I asked is that there is a guy in Germany (where Im from)
who got 25-30 hp gains out of a just i/h/e tuned ITR with Hondata.
So I wondered what the people here achieved with the same setup

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ITR3189 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why not ? I asked a question about a ITR which is tuned with a S200</TD></TR></TABLE>

Haha. You are absolutely right. I thought he was asking about the power gains from adding the bolt-ons to an S2000 (the car)

Wow, I'm an idiot!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ITR3189 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thanks for your answer ! That pretty much what I (also) wanted to know.
The reason why I asked is that there is a guy in Germany (where Im from)
who got 25-30 hp gains out of a just i/h/e tuned ITR with Hondata.
So I wondered what the people here achieved with the same setup</TD></TR></TABLE>

I would say that is definately realistic gains depending on the quality of parts you are installing..... Good Luck

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Slick GS-R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Haha. You are absolutely right. I thought he was asking about the power gains from adding the bolt-ons to an S2000 (the car)

Wow, I'm an idiot! </TD></TR></TABLE>

:D

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Eva01 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
But why bother with a 65mm TB and 310 cc injectors if you are not modifying the stroke, bore, or compression?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Couple of people tould me that the stock Injectors are very close to their limit
when it comes to chiptunig so I wanted to upgrade to have reserves.

And a larger throttel body carries like 8-10% more air afaik so I tought/heared/read that might be a good addon to the larger exhaust system.

 

You will gain some up top, but more importantly the powerband should be smoother when tuned and it should be more linear power, which i think is way more importnat than the peak numbers.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ITR3189 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Couple of people tould me that the stock Injectors are very close to their limit
when it comes to chiptunig so I wanted to upgrade to have reserves.

And a larger throttel body carries like 8-10% more air afaik so I tought/heared/read that might be a good addon to the larger exhaust system.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Stock injectors should be fine with your set up. With just an upgraded exhaust system, you would be better off getting a FPR rather than bigger injectors.

Even with an upgraded exhaust, larger TB is also a waste of money IMO. Just because it flows more air does not automatically make it a better choice over the stock TB. Sure you may have a larger volume of air coming in but what does that do to the velocity of your intake charge?

Regardless, it's your money, spend it how you like.