Sorry if this is in the wrong forum or if it has already been covered... i tried searching but no luck. Anyway.. has anybody put a smic in their 5th gen accords, i was wondering where/if there would be room for one. Thanks!

 

Honestly, SMIC are not effective at all. You would be better off running either no intercooler or a FMIC.

Sorry but the size and effectiveness of that SMIC is a huge downfall on part of dsm's. But, to answer your question a lot of people put it where the intake 'jug' used to be which is in your passenger fender well.

Hope that helps.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .ken &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Honestly, SMIC are not effective at all. You would be better off running either no intercooler or a FMIC.

Sorry but the size and effectiveness of that SMIC is a huge downfall on part of dsm's. But, to answer your question a lot of people put it where the intake 'jug' used to be which is in your passenger fender well.

Hope that helps.</TD></TR></TABLE>

'jug'=resonator

 

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'jug'=resonator </TD></TR></TABLE>

potato=potAto

 

Saying SMIC arent effective at all is kind of ignorant to say. Obviously it is effective to some degree if alot of people are using them like you said.

 

side mounts do the trick in low boost situations, specially all the hondatechers that love the ol huge turbo and 5psi method of doing things. its all relative though....

 

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Ignorant how? Ok, the only time its slightly effective are the 5 minutes when it isn't heat soaked...better?

The only reason why people use them is for budgetary reasons...can you honestly say that 9"x9" 'intercooler' can cool fast enough? Not only that but the location of the SMIC doesn't really add anything in terms of effectiveness either since it is usually tucked away in a fender well or in the hot engine bay. All this compared to a FMIC you can say why I said SMIC suck.

 

comparatively gatorade is better than water, doesnt make water shitty.
people run them for stealth reasons as well, not everyone wants/ nor has the setup to necessitate the size of fmic everyone runs. its all depending on goals. it does heatsoak easily, if placed improperly, and even sometimes when placed properly...but it still gets the job done better than nothing. plus you can practically get paid just to take them off most peoples hands.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by f22b2tdave &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">comparatively gatorade is better than water, doesnt make water shitty.
people run them for stealth reasons as well, not everyone wants/ nor has the setup to necessitate the size of fmic everyone runs. its all depending on goals. it does heatsoak easily, if placed improperly, and even sometimes when placed properly...but it still gets the job done better than nothing. plus you can practically get paid just to take them off most peoples hands. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Well why pay for something that is shitty when you could fork out a little more and get somethign that gets the job done? As for side mounts being stealthy...you can paint your fmic black ya know .

I am not saying if you are running 5psi you need a large front mount but in terms of getting low charge temps a front mount does the best job...but then again if you're running low boost you could just not run any intercooler and for-go the lag.

 

i agree to a point. yes fmic are vastly superior. but this is where goals come into play. and i have a flatblack front mount and i tell you what:
if you know anything about power adders, you can see my intercooler a mile away. the only people i fool are not all that bright.
yes i agree that a fmic will get charge temps down better than a smic at any boost level. but that just boils mainly down to surface area. top mounts are the same ballpark.
your last but then again... statement was pretty ignorant.
you'd honestly rather run no intercooler than a sidemount? unless youve got either water/meth injection or some spray lined up id say you don't give a damn about IAT's at all.

edit, and you can find sidemounts all day for less than $70 dollars. and it does get the job done to a point. at that point, feel free to spend $250+ on a fmic. and you can build sidemounts fairy easy as well, buy a busted front mount core, cut it, and weld up some endtanks and you have a nice smic for maybe an $80 outlay.

 

I guess people can agree to disagree then.

It depends on what your hp is and how much boost you're running, simply put you can choose to run either a front mount, a side mount or do something else. If you can afford a front mount then do it but at low boost levels (5 or lower) choose between a side mount and nothing I would choose nothing. But that is where I differ. I agree that top mounts aren't that great either due to surface area.

Choose what you want but in the overall scheme of things side mounts aren't that effective in their untouched form.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .ken &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I guess people can agree to disagree then.

It depends on what your hp is and how much boost you're running, simply put you can choose to run either a front mount, a side mount or do something else. If you can afford a front mount then do it but at low boost levels (5 or lower) choose between a side mount and nothing I would choose nothing. But that is where I differ. I agree that top mounts aren't that great either due to surface area.

Choose what you want but in the overall scheme of things side mounts aren't that effective in their untouched form.
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I agree with that. I have a SMIC on my GTI and because it is vented it takes a while to get heatsoaked, not saying its the best but apparently VW thinks it can take 12 psi. BTw, i plan to upgrade to a FMIC now that im pushing about 16-17 psi.

if he can get a cheap SMIC and can properly get ventilation like say a vent in the wheel well then i say go for it. There are deals out there on FMIC's

 

Interesting debate....I have a question...what type of ic do Porsche's run? I ask because I am thinking about finding an engineer to design an ic that I can hide by having some sort of ventilation built into the body of my 5th gen.....what do you guys think?

 

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I'm with Dave on this one.

SMIC &gt; no I/C any day ALL DAY.

eventual heat soak or not it's still MUCH better than directing a high powered hair dryer directly into your intake manifold.

With proper air flow (which ANY I/C needs!) the SMIC will effectively lower intake temps quite a lot, and at $75 you can't beat the value for a low budget, low boost setup. If it's given the proper venting there will be little to no heat soak unless you're beating the living crap out of the car. You might see issues on a dyno but that's mostly because of lack of airflow. Hell my FMIC got heatsoaked on the dyno.

 

the problem is not it's front mount or side mounted, it could be mount on top of the hood or rear of the back bumper, the location of the IC is MUCH less important that the size and quality of the core(yes, i said less important, but you have to factor in the heat, air flow,etc.)

no ic, tiny ic and over sized ic&lt;proper sized ic

most v engine have two smaller sized SMIC instead of one bigger FMIC, does it render it useless or less effective? no, in fact, smic put less heatsoat to the radiator, which is always a big plus for turbo'ed car.