Possible Ways To Build A 2.0L Block (Crank, Rods, Pistons) Your opinions pls.
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Possible Ways To Build A 2.0L Block (Crank, Rods, Pistons) Your opinions pls.
Planning on building my B18C to 2.0L and would like to receive opinions on which way would be best way to build.
Please note all details of crank size, rod ratio, piston bore size etc. To be used mainly for racing, but would like to cruise around from time to time.
Willing to resleeve cylinders. Would like to be able to rev between 9K to 10K rpms.
Please list your opinions and pros/cons for other opinions provided. THANKS
Example of 2.0L build using:
GSR/Type R stock crank 87.2mm
GSR/Type R rods 1.58 R/S
85mm pistons
1.98L
Cost effective
Crower 92mm Crank
84mm pistons
Crower Rods (? R/S)
2.04L
Crower 95mm crank
84mm pistons
Crower rods (? R/S)
2.10L
Please list other ideas.
Please note all details of crank size, rod ratio, piston bore size etc. To be used mainly for racing, but would like to cruise around from time to time.
Willing to resleeve cylinders. Would like to be able to rev between 9K to 10K rpms.
Please list your opinions and pros/cons for other opinions provided. THANKS
Example of 2.0L build using:
GSR/Type R stock crank 87.2mm
GSR/Type R rods 1.58 R/S
85mm pistons
1.98L
Cost effective
Crower 92mm Crank
84mm pistons
Crower Rods (? R/S)
2.04L
Crower 95mm crank
84mm pistons
Crower rods (? R/S)
2.10L
Please list other ideas.
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Re: Possible Ways To Build A 2.0L Block (Crank, Rods, Pistons) Your opinions pls. (DEMNTD1)
you want to rev to 9-10k? i would personally stick with a gsr or itr crank. well me personally, it would be the ls crank and rods. but thats just me. something just bothers me about revving a long stroke short rod engine that high. but thats just me, others may disagree.
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84.5mm bore
89mm crank
eagle +.137" rods ($350)
rollerwave +.137" off the shelf pistons ($550ish?)
R/S=1.5784
cheap and reliable. more stroke than GSR/ITR with nearly identical RS ratio. i have these parts for sale brand new actually. $650 rings and all
89mm crank
eagle +.137" rods ($350)
rollerwave +.137" off the shelf pistons ($550ish?)
R/S=1.5784
cheap and reliable. more stroke than GSR/ITR with nearly identical RS ratio. i have these parts for sale brand new actually. $650 rings and all
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Re: Possible Ways To Build A 2.0L Block (Crank, Rods, Pistons) Your opinions pls. (DEMNTD1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DEMNTD1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Example of 2.0L build using:
GSR/Type R stock crank 87.2mm
GSR/Type R rods 1.58 R/S
85mm pistons
1.98L
Cost effective
</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thats my setup.
GSR/Type R stock crank 87.2mm
GSR/Type R rods 1.58 R/S
85mm pistons
1.98L
Cost effective
</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thats my setup.
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Re: Possible Ways To Build A 2.0L Block (dognutz)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dognutz »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thats my setup.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Does this only require the block to be sleeved and new pistons with a B18C long block? [/QUOTE]
To acheive that displacement yes. Stock crank with 85mm sleeves and matching pistons.. Now I have alot of other stuff but for the basis of the topic, thats all you need to get to 1.98 (2ltr basicly)
Does this only require the block to be sleeved and new pistons with a B18C long block? [/QUOTE]
To acheive that displacement yes. Stock crank with 85mm sleeves and matching pistons.. Now I have alot of other stuff but for the basis of the topic, thats all you need to get to 1.98 (2ltr basicly)
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Re: Possible Ways To Build A 2.0L Block (Tbone)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tbone »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thats my setup.</TD></TR></TABLE>
LOL
Mine too
Hey Mike, do you still have the eagle +.137" rods and +.137" up pistons?
I need a set for a friends motor I'm doing.
LOL
Mine too
Hey Mike, do you still have the eagle +.137" rods and +.137" up pistons?
I need a set for a friends motor I'm doing.
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Re: (mike_belben@yahoo.com)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tbone »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Thats my setup.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Hey Tbone
I know you have built and tried many setups, what do you think and how would you compare between using the 87.2mm/85mm bore setup and all others using 89mm, 92mm, and 95mm crank.
Shorter stroke we can rev to like 9K, compared to longer stroke. Any reason why you chose the 87.2mm route instead.
Was thinking about it too, but wanted other views and opinions.
Thats my setup.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Hey Tbone
I know you have built and tried many setups, what do you think and how would you compare between using the 87.2mm/85mm bore setup and all others using 89mm, 92mm, and 95mm crank.
Shorter stroke we can rev to like 9K, compared to longer stroke. Any reason why you chose the 87.2mm route instead.
Was thinking about it too, but wanted other views and opinions.
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Re: (DEMNTD1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DEMNTD1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Example of 2.0L build using:
GSR/Type R stock crank 87.2mm
GSR/Type R rods 1.58 R/S
85mm pistons
1.98L
Cost effective</TD></TR></TABLE>
If this is the route I am going to take, should I change the rods to aftermarket as well. If I use the stock rods, I have to get the small end journal machined and insert brass bushing. Will the stock rods hold the power?
What would be a good rod? Carrillo, Pauter, Cunningham, etc.
What would be a good piston? CP, Wiseco, JE, etc.
GSR/Type R stock crank 87.2mm
GSR/Type R rods 1.58 R/S
85mm pistons
1.98L
Cost effective</TD></TR></TABLE>
If this is the route I am going to take, should I change the rods to aftermarket as well. If I use the stock rods, I have to get the small end journal machined and insert brass bushing. Will the stock rods hold the power?
What would be a good rod? Carrillo, Pauter, Cunningham, etc.
What would be a good piston? CP, Wiseco, JE, etc.
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Eagles are in quite a few more race motors than some folks would like us to believe. look into piston weights, the lighter they are the less tensile abuse on the rod and fasteners.
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I'm currently building a 84x87.2 motor, so technically its a 1.9l. I would like to have went with 85mm bore, but im using the stock B20 sleeves for now.
Revving high is cool and all, but I would prefer something with more stroke and a rev limit of 8-8.5k. I like a nice tq curve that you can really feel.
Revving high is cool and all, but I would prefer something with more stroke and a rev limit of 8-8.5k. I like a nice tq curve that you can really feel.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by WAFFLES »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm currently building a 84x87.2 motor, so technically its a 1.9l. I would like to have went with 85mm bore, but im using the stock B20 sleeves for now.
Revving high is cool and all, but I would prefer something with more stroke and a rev limit of 8-8.5k. I like a nice tq curve that you can really feel.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You can go 1mm oversize on stock B20 block to get 85mm.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mike_belben@yahoo.com »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Eagles are in quite a few more race motors than some folks would like us to believe. look into piston weights, the lighter they are the less tensile abuse on the rod and fasteners. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Heard that with Eagle rods, it is a bit difficult to match proper rod bearing size. Is this true?
looking for strong and lightweight pistons and rods.
Revving high is cool and all, but I would prefer something with more stroke and a rev limit of 8-8.5k. I like a nice tq curve that you can really feel.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You can go 1mm oversize on stock B20 block to get 85mm.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mike_belben@yahoo.com »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Eagles are in quite a few more race motors than some folks would like us to believe. look into piston weights, the lighter they are the less tensile abuse on the rod and fasteners. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Heard that with Eagle rods, it is a bit difficult to match proper rod bearing size. Is this true?
looking for strong and lightweight pistons and rods.
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Re: (DEMNTD1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DEMNTD1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Heard that with Eagle rods, it is a bit difficult to match proper rod bearing size. Is this true?
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the two sets that ive owned have been sized very consistently. that may not be a large enough sample to make a judgement about the whole group though. ive heard nothing but praise about them from experienced builders personally.
was somewhat shocked to hear about a pretty bad machining error from Crower by an internet acquaintance in Italy a few months back. i think they refunded him eventually.
Heard that with Eagle rods, it is a bit difficult to match proper rod bearing size. Is this true?
</TD></TR></TABLE>
the two sets that ive owned have been sized very consistently. that may not be a large enough sample to make a judgement about the whole group though. ive heard nothing but praise about them from experienced builders personally.
was somewhat shocked to hear about a pretty bad machining error from Crower by an internet acquaintance in Italy a few months back. i think they refunded him eventually.
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