well its like this fellow honda-tech members. I have a 91 integra. ON saturday i was heading over to the carwash early morning, the car started fine but then when i was backing out the car shut off. AFter messing with the distributor the car ran great, went to the car wash and came back. Went out that after noon and came back. Tried starting the car but it would just crank and not fire up. I came to the conclusion that the distributor went bad. SO i purchased a brand spanking new distributor. Slapped it on monday afternoon and it would just crank and not fire up.

Getting easily frustrated, i checked the h-t boards to see if anyone had the same problem. SO i did the following: checked if i had spark ( i do), check if the fuel pump is working (it does), battery and terminals are all up to par. Main relay clicks and i do believe the starter as well.

Popped off the valve cover and seems that the timing belt seems like it did not jump any teeth. I could do the timing again see if its missed timed both on the distributor side and main pulley side.

SPark plugs when taken off had fuel on it from the numerous times of cranking. So took them off and let them dry in the heat.

Weird thing is that the car can't even pop start... checked the firing order of the plug wires seems right but can double check.

Please help. Before all this the car was running in top notch shape, help me get it back to that shape again

i will post more info as i go down the list of probablities

 

Considering what you have done already I would be very suspect of the PGMFI relay or what you may call the main relay.They are a common problem.Just hearing a relay click does not always mean that it functioning properly.Best to use a test light.

 

I will def lookin into if the main relay is bad now. But what would cause the car not to pop start???
this is what i am told is the correct firing order:

dizzy-4-3-2-1-t-belt

on the cap: 3 4
1 2

 

im not sure if will make it so u cant pop start it but i recently replaced my main relay and its starts up every time now... try that first cuz they are only like 30ish

 

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check you fuel preasure relay thats real common like he said is under the driver side dash just get another one and switch it if you have another honda around take from it to see if you car starts ..they all have it..

 

fuel pressure relay is the same thing as the main relay right?

here is some other stuff i checked:

opened the oil cap and stuck my camera right above it and started recording (i was by myself), i attempted to start the car, still no fire up, but i checked the video and my cam was turning, so i know the cam gear and rotor were also turning.

one of the wires of the ignitor were loose and not making any contact, so i slapped it back in hoping that it was the case, still no luck, but the car is now wanting to fire up but no luck yet.

checked every single fuse and they are all fine, checked all grounds they are all fine.

had my other brother crank the car again, and i was banging the starter still no fire up.

fuel pump primes because i had my little brother, throw it in the run position, and i opened the gas cap, and u can hear prime up.

I was also told that the little thing from the dizzy housing that plugs into cam, can be flipped around to cause improper starting.

SO if this is the case, i should than just look into the main relay, right?

 

TTT

 

I hate to ask a obvious question, but when you put the new dizzy on your were sure to get it back in the exact same spot? So the timing hasn't changed at all?
If it is do you know anybody else with a DA? See if you can swap the main relay between cars.

 

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i know for a fact that i got it close to nearly the exact same spot. But timing could've changed ever so slightly. But that shouldn't cause the car not to start. I'm thinking about just picking a couple up from my shop and swapping them out. I never had changed the main relay in the car, and i owned the car for 2 years. The guy i purchased it from probably never changed it either, cause its an OEM main relay.

 

main relay bro, it happened to me and a few friends. We switched the main relay and now they all start up fine

 

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what were your symptoms?? if you don't mind sharing.

 

When it's really hot inside the car is when it happens mostly. I have two G2's and it happened to both of them. I just took out the rely and desoldered the cracked ones and then put new solder on them. Or you can just buy one but i like to save money. So far I've not had a single problem on both my cars since.

 

when i took out my relay, and opened it up, it looka and it seems like the soldering is still good. But like all the others say, if its clicking it still doesn't mean its good. Its weird how they say it acts up when its hot inside the car. But i've tried cranking it in the morning and at night. ANd its rarely hot in my area of LA.

Pepboy special or OEM HONda main relay, which do you guys prefer??

 

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My symptons were as follows. It would start only when it was in the shade or when it wasnt that hot out. It always started at night. I change my dizzy, check the fuel pump and it still wont start. the i replace the main relay and it starts up everytime. My cousin had the same problem and the main relay fixed it. A friend of mine had a similiar problem but his wont start at all, it would matter the time of day or the temp. he replaced the dizzy and finally the relay. it starts up now.

 

okay guys its not the main relay. I took my brother's EF main relay out, put my main relay on the EF, the car still fired up. Tried his on my DA and still no go on the DA. I am beginning to think that something is terribly wrong with the timing, maybe jumped a tooth or so. BUt i am crossing my fingers that my motor ain't shot. ANy more suggestions?????

 

Check fuel pressure as well as fuel flow.If you have spark and fuel it should go.

 

i will check fuel pressure today and also the fuel flow. But my fuel pressure gauge is saying i have pressure tho.

 

did u find out what happend

 

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i need to find out what happened too. sometimes when my car doesnt want to start, its NOT the relay. if its the relay, then the CEL will be on.

 

Integra '89 same old story---Wont start.

just before replacing the fuel pump (the silly ^&$#@ thing is on top of the fuel tank in my model, so you have to take out the tank....BOOM!!) I did a check of the main relay. Its a good idea to re-solder the joins on the PC Board, but maybe more successful is to file the relay contacts with a small strip of fine (clean) emery paper and them blow them clean. There are two relays, each has one set of change-over contacts.

You can get at them by taking the PC Board out (by desoldering the edge pins, not the components), and then applying a small force with a screwdrider at the edges of the black plastic covers over the relays, they should clip off with some practice.

Weird microscopic surface effects go on at the contacts, especially with 1) some alloy combinations 2) if the contacts dont rub very much 3) the contacts are not sealed 4) overcurrent conditions may weaken the contact leaves so they are not as stiff.

Anyway, it makes sense, what can really go wrong with such a simple circuit board? Two relays, a resistor and some diodes (type IN4002 ?)!!

Anyway, It worked this time. I had a BMW 528i that had the same general crap with relay & fuel pump. But the BM was worse. Very frustrating.

 

sorry i haven't responded to my thread but the thing that was wrong with the car was that thing on the dizzy housing that plugs right on to the cam (kinda shaped like the top half of the letter H) was turned 180 degrees the other way. So all we did was popped off the ring, slid the pin out removed the piece turned it the opposite way. Put the pin back in and the ring as well. Slapped it on the car and the car fired up instantly.

 

So if you guys are getting fuel and spark and the ecu is good, and the main relay is still good. Just check that little piece on the dizzy. that little thing caused my car not to start for a week. ANd all it took was 10 mins of my homie's time.