I am looking for a cheap, light rim, with a good width for wide tires. Turbo isn't much good without traction! I am not road racing or auto-x. This is for the occasional stop light race.

I am thinking about Kosei Racing 16x7.5's or the 15x7's. Tire rack price of something like $139 per rim

I am leaning toward the 16's because I want to also upgrade to a wilwood big brake kit up front(money permitting). Plus I should be able to run a 205 tire.

Any imput on the idea "there are no good 16 inch tires" would also be appreciated.

The main question is....will the 16x7.5's rub stock height?


[Modified by HXMan, 9:18 PM 3/3/2002]

 

 

You should be able to run a 225 on 7.5" wide wheels.

 

Go little monkey, go!

Warren

 

How did I know my post would turn to this.

Damn people, I am not talking about insane racing until someone gives up street racing. Just occasional runs to 60-70 on the street, straight line only, and some racing at the local DRAG STRIP. I know, I would be better off with slicks, but I want to run my car in street trim at the track.

Blame me wanting to race on my age, whatever. But nearly everyone has done this sort of thing, so please if you don't want to help, don't say anything at all.

Thanks



[Modified by HXMan, 1:34 AM 3/4/2002]

 

I understand your sentiment; however, try and look at the reason these guys are saying this. Better yet, I’ll give you my perspective. A) It’s illegal. I for one won’t give tips on anything whereas the individual is going to participate/instigate in illegal activity. B) Ever hear Viper, Porsche, BMW, Corvette, etc, etc, etc people talk about import people always wanting to race them? Well, these “import people” give us, the individuals that drive/race at the track, a bad name. This is the reason I will give you negative feedback. Why? I’m pulling a trailer with car and people rollup beside me wanting to race…my response, swerve at them to run them off the road. I see people at stop lights trying to race people in BMWs, Porsches, etc. I’ve even had a pimped up Civic want to race me when I’m in my Dodge Ram Cummins Turbo Diesel truck…my response, spoiled up the turbo diesel and it was like a rubber band. When the car caught back up at the next light, they would barely look at me…my response then…the middle finger. C) Read “B” again. D) Most people on this forum don’t enjoy drag racing. They enjoy driving a car for longer than 10 seconds per session. They enjoy turning right and left at a high speed while gaining ground and passing the car in front of them…and it goes on and on, but most drag racers and street racers wouldn’t understand. E) Read “B” again. Sorry for your frustration, but…get use to it. That’s what you are going to get with those sort of questions.

 

I do agree with your statement. But I don't agree with grouping me in with people that try to race cars they will never beat. Such as the cars in your part B. Also, I am not the type to race trucks, trailers, anything of the sort. I HATE people that do that, it gives us other honda drivers a bad name....that is what makes me want to get rid of my car. What I like to do is have a ricer pull revving next to me, and then just show him what having a fast honda is really about...no stickers, wings etc. I am not a showoff, I am simply someone who wants to set the record straight about hondas in my area. Not all hondas are not slow pieces of ****.

Would I get more respect if I posted my mods? I am not just some punk ricer. And yea, all the mods were done with my two hands.

b16a2 engine swap
Hondata Stage 3b
Tanabe RM
Energy Suspension Motor Mounts
Rear Si Disc Brake Conversion
Si Prop valve
Si Master Cylinder
Rear Si swaybar
Drag 3 turbo kit(installing in spring, this is why I need traction)
Lots of other stuff....

 

Just so you know... a LOT of people are holding their tongues over this thread. The name of the forum is Competition and 99% of the active posters in here take that to mean track and/or autocross.

ANY kind of street racing is generally frowned upon by the forum in general. So... the only way to get any "respect" as you call it, is to remove any reference of stoplight racing from your post. OR, just go back to the civic forum and be done with it.

While I'm at it, I guess I might as well answer the question... Personally, I don't consider a 205 tire to be wide... it's more of a minimum. You can stick it on just about any tire wider than about 6" and be fine. a 7.5" rim is overkill, there's no purpose. Just buy 6.5" or 7" and you'll be fine. I think you'll find that you'll be getting massive wheelspin as soon as you bolt on the turbo regardless of what tire you run.

 

Yes, I'm sure even the most mature of us here can't help but floor it from a stop light up to 45 mph or so on occasion, but those skeletons stay in the closet.
I doubt you'd ever go wider than a 225 tire, and they'll fit fine on a 7" wide wheel (not rim please).
I just got 15x7 38 offset K1s and love them. They're cheap and look great, and a 225/50-15 fits perfectly.

Edit: Mind you my application is for an Accord, which traditionally uses a larger diameter tire than a Civic.


[Modified by 4doorH22, 12:45 PM 3/4/2002]

 

i think some people fail to realize that there is mor competition in the world then just makeing left and right turns... im not downgrading it at all... but street racing is out there... u cant do anything about it... hell, i street race! it just has a thrill to it... iv reached over 150 on public highways... does that make me a lesser human than the people who complain to this guy? no! at least im open minded to all kinds of competition... illegal or not... unlike some other people here

 

Oh hell yes! You, sir, are waaaaaaay down on the food chain!

Edit: You are a freaking criminal and your ignorance is blinding.


[Modified by 4doorH22, 12:51 PM 3/4/2002]

 

"Discussion of modifications, tuning, and driving techniques autocross, road racing, and drag racing"

 

With all due respect, I think you are missing the point. This isn't about your ability to beat a car at a stoplight, its about your rather poor interpretation of being a good driver. A lot of us DO have wings and stickers and splitters and **** - just that if you see a lot of our cars on the road, they are sitting 3' off the pavement on a trailer.

Regarding mods . . . as a very esteemed member of this board has in his signature - "you might drive a fast car but it doesn't mean you can drive it fast." So, in answer to your question, no, having mods will get you absolutely no respect from guys and gals that pride themselves in passing a "faster" car on track in a "slower" one because they can drive the **** out of a car.

As for Tom's comments. Answer me this since you are so open to all forms of competition . . . are you open to endangering people who have not signed up for your escapades? On a track, drag strip, auto-x - the people there trackside or otherwise know about the dangers of being where they are. My mom drives to the grocery store, my dad drives to work and back every day - you think they are aware of the idiocy you purport to be the master of? Do you really think you know what the **** to do if you get a blow out at 150mph? Do you have a clue what to do when you break a spindle at 100mph? Do you think your little piece of **** EK is built to a.) roll several times down I-95 and if so, b.) keep you alive while the corner workers get to yo . . . doh! no corner workers, your on a ******* public street where and ambulance isn't get sent out by control - nah, you'll have to wait for someone to put in a cell call.

******* pisses me off that I even have to explain this **** to a piece of **** attempted involuntary manslaughtering ****!

 

yes! iv been a bad boy... i guess i should go to my room now...

-im at the bottom of the food chain
-im a criminal
-im ignorant

funny how some people are so quick to generalize people... this was exactly my point... ignorance is bliss... when one doesnt even know circumstances... (oh yea... and i won... beat an m5 )

phat-s... u have no clue what kinda driver i am... how my car is setup... or anything!

 

Thanks for the valuable input. I don't know much about what size tires will fit on what size Wheel, so I just thru out 205 as an example. Fitting a 225 on a 15x7 would be great. My primary concern is if I will have any rubbing, and if I could fit the wilwood brake upgrade under them. I know civic's don't have much room under the wheel well, but the only rubbing I have seen has been on friends slammed cars with 17" bling bling wheels. Problem is I don't know their offset or width.

I'll see if I can contact willwood about the brake clearence problem.

Oh, and thanks again Tom!! But damn, 150??? That is pretty crazy, but you won't hear me bitchin!!

 

As you can see here http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Spec.j...+Pole+Position it is the manufacturer of the tire that really specifies what width wheel their tire belongs on.

 

I understand. I guess you don't exactly understand me either. I agree, just because you have a fast car, doesn't mean you can drive it fast. Ie: Type-R owner who thinks becuase he has a type r, he can automaticly beat a civic Dx around a race track.

You also need to look at it this way. It also takes skill to build and setup a fast car. That is very important to me. I attempt to earn respect in other ways besides being the fastest around a track.

Thanks for the help, and the discussion.



[Modified by HXMan, 12:07 PM 3/4/2002]

 

This is also helpful: https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=129896

 

HX, what kind of hp or what psi are you running? I also have a turbo civic running about 280 wheel HP @ 8 psi and was running 225 45 15 Hoosiers last season and I can tell you that you wont get any traction with ANY street tires, period. It will be down right DANGEROUS if you race on street with street tires, I'm not saying this to sounds like I'm your dad or anything but try to run your car at the autox first with some street tires and you'll see. I hope you will find out the answer the smart way.

 

You suck. If you can afford to go 150mph on a public highway then you must be able to afford all sorts of tizzite stuff for your car. Public highways were *never* designed for that kind of speed. One pothole or a bad bump in the road and you're dead. Have you ever considered the consequences for your stupidity and ignorance? Lets break it down, shall we?

We can start by arresting you. When the cop catches you (or road blocks your ***) he's going to be very very pissed off. You will be arrested and your car impounded for 60 days (at least). After you spend a day in jail getting booked, pictured, finger printed, etc, etc, they'll let you make a phone call. If you have any friends, they might bail you out. If not, you wait there for a day or two (in jail) until a prelim hearing where the judge can decide whether to let you go until your court date (probably would since you dont have a car anymore).

After that, you'll walk out with at least charges for reckless driving, reckless endangerment, fleeing police. AT LEAST one of these will be a felony. Conviction of a felony means lots of bad **** - you cant get good jobs, you cant vote, you ever do anything wrong and you're screwed - basically the state has you by the short and curly's.

Maybe if you get a good lawyer he might get one of the felonies knocked down to a misdemeanor. You'll probably spend 30-90 days in jail (you know, in a cell with an orange suit as a prisoner where they tell you when and where you eat, sleep and **** - you'll lose your job, alienate your friends, and make nice friends named 'bubba' and 'jake'), pay a few thousand in fines, a few thousand in legal fees, carry SR-22 insurance for the next 5 years (if you can get insurance at all) after your license is revoked for 1-2 years.

Worth it? You decide. Maybe you should go post your 'kill' over at Superhonda. Until then....... i hope you dont kill anyone or drive in my town.

Ryan


[Modified by Type-RJ, 1:33 PM 3/4/2002]

 

Turbo is purchased, but not installed yet. I am waiting until after smog testing this spring to put it on. Plus, for my setup to be the way I want it, I still need about $2k in accessories. Did you run your turbo civic in autox?

BTW: Stop light racing does not involve curves, so I won't be in too much danger.

 

No doubt it takes a tremendous amount of skill to build a car. I have major respect for guys like Jack who not only know the whats and hows but can then hop in a drive the snot out of the car too.

 

Tom: I'm not going to express what I think about doing 2 times the speed limit on the open road. If I catch you, there will be hell to pay. So, I'll just say this. I would be rather careful of what you say on a forum that is open to the public. You never know who is a law enforcement officer or even a federal agent.

To the originator of this thread: Try wording your question differently. Instead of street, say drag race or autocross, or something. May get a more positive response. Good luck and I hope you find out what you're looking for.

J28S...Signing off this thread for good!!!

 

HXMan and ek9t...why don't you go back and play in the kills forum? They'd be much more willing to help you. And really - who gives a **** what other people think about your car? That seems to be a trend in the drag-racing arena..."I just want Hondas to get the respect they deserve." If people who drive Porsches and Vettes and Vipers don't respect you now, they never will. Because you're driving a $15,000 car. If you want respect, don't buy a kid's car.

Plus, you'd think all the stories posted about street racing deaths, ie. the clown in the Mustang that killed his own mother while street racing, might deter you from racing every car that comes along. I guess the Fast and the Furious wasn't so unrealistic after all...some people really are that stupid.

 

You dont lose respect because of what you drive. You lose respect because of how you drive it and how you act. Not directed anyone of course, but just a statement in general.

Ryan