Anyone seen/utilized one of these? What are you biased opinions?

Thanks in advance.

Looks neat.

-They say

"Our liquid intercooling water injection system gives you the best of both worlds, with highly advanced timing for horsepower and a mist of water that lowers temperatures up to 100 degrees."



The link...


http://www.jacksonracing.com/S...33358

 

Its better then nothing, but i would use a methanol injection kit, it cools better and also raises the octane. You can find more info about each in the FI forum. It just so happends i have one for sale
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1374354

 

I think the product name is misleading, it's basically water injection, right?

 

I don't like the thought of spraying water into my manifold.

Anyone else have a problem with that?

At least the kit DC2-JRSC'd is selling sprays methanol.

 

youre not spraying water........ your misting it........ and if it was bad people would have stopped doing this a long time ago...... my dad used to be into that junk back in the 70's in his muscle cars

 

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Agreed.

I still don't like the idea of water being anywhere near my manifold.

Call me old fashioned.

 

its simply better to spray methanol. as previously mentioned methanol increases octane levels and cools the charge. water just cools and doesn't allow for the same type of increases in power that methanol allows for.

basically, with methanol and good tuning you can expect the same results as you would have with c16.

 

no one's ever heard of the LHT intercooler??

http://www.lhtperformance.net/products.html

 

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http://www.lhtperformance.net/products.html</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think those are over priced for the gains.

Correct me if I'm wrong but that intercooler runs like $1000, and nets the motor a whopping 10-20whp.

Not the best dollar to whp ratio if you ask me.

 

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Call me old fashioned.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I wouldn't call you old fasioned. Just ignorant.

http://www.homemadeturbo.com/f...057.0

 

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http://www.homemadeturbo.com/f...057.0</TD></TR></TABLE>

That's got to be one of the most informative posts I've read in a long while.

Thanks, I needed that.



I'll keep the water injection option in mind.

 

aside from all of the theory and speculation about water injection on homemadeturbo's website...(yes it works...but not like or as well as methanol)

alcohol injection is the way to go. http://www.alkycontrol.com kit's are running on quite a few car's in this area (tampa bay florida) and several are at 35psi/93 octane with knock counts similar to what you'd see with c16.

another benefit to methanol injection is that you can go with a stock or close to stock fuel system if you are in the 200-250whp range which is typical of supercharged 4cyl honda applications.

on 500-600whp cars, you can often get away with the stock fuel lines and a less expensive aftermarket fuel pump. plus, you can avoid running 1600cc injectors which is always nice for streetability.

 

How easy is it to get methanol, and how much does it cost?

 

Most people I know use windshield washer fluid. It’s a 50-50 mix of water and methanol. So its about $1 per gallon.

 

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Ive heard of it and had it on my JRSC setup. The cost goes for more than straight up WHP gains, think of the benefits of high boost with 100 deg. cooler intake temps...gains come from retuning as well using the new power and drop in intake temps. Its also a safety factor for high boost JRSC if you dont want to risk the higer temps of the intake air but want high boost with JRSC without spraying or liquid injection setups.

Expensive, yes. Unjustified, probably not at all.

 

My opinion:

For your setup as is, it is not needed. You aren't running high boost. If you plan to run high boost in the future, then you may want to consider it at that time. But as stated previously, there are other options. Intake temps due become a problem at high boost, but a good blower rebuild (such as Endyn or LHT) and some work on the intake manifold can really help. Some people with blower work are running lower intake temps under high boost than I am at 4.5psi, with the same intake. The LHT water-air intercooled intake manifold does work, but is also quite costly. I do plan to go over to high boost soon. When I do, I will be having blower work done and running the LHT intercooled intake manifold.

If you plan on keeping your setup under low boost for a while, then I would invest the $600 elsewhere. Perhaps a kamikaze header and a gauge or two if you don't already have them.

That's my .02

 

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you'll find methanol at any place that sells vp fuel...and its pretty inexpensive.

the best part is that you will probably use 2-3 gallons of methanol over a 4-6 week period under normal driving.

it ends up being way more cost effective compared to running a leaded fuel like c16.

 

its also worth mentioning...

LHT is right up the road from where i live...and i know those guys pretty well. for the money, i think methanol injection is a better and cheaper alternative.

http://www.alkycontrol.com is owned by a good friend of mine named julio don who also happens to live here in st petersburg. i've spoken with him at length about methanol and seen the results on several high horsepower cars in this area. like i mentioned earlier...two of my friends are running 35psi+ on their 4g63 powered cars (one has a gt35r, the other a gt42r) and have had no counts of knock. (basically...with good tuning 93 octane and methanol acts just like c16 or even vp import if you spray enough methanol.)