Hello again guys and gals,

Well as the title states, I am trying to decide which power route to go with in my accord. I know that it is extremely important to plan all current mods to be able to work with the further and eventual progression of my car. So I guess in order to give the best advice, I need to tell yall, what I have done to the car and what my goals are.

Modificatoins done (power wise)

-AEM Cold Air with ByPass valve
-high flow cat, mandrel bent 2.25 inch piping, to a "turbo" style muffler

minor power things

Iridum(sp) Plugs
Bosh 7mm wires
Synthetic Oil
Changed waterpump/timing belt ect

Well with that list of things done let me fill you in with the little details of the car. It is a 99 Honda Accord Coupe, Has 108,XXX miles on the original engine(F23)and tranny(5spd) and clutch.

My goals are this: (In order of importance)

1. Relibility
2. Fuel Effiency
3. Fun to drive factor (power!!)

So of the three options in the pole, which is my best bet, NA F23 Turbo F23 or H22 Swap?

Thanks for all the help and direction in making my decisions


Chris

 

Well, reliable power is not going to be cheap and fuel economy is sadly the opposite of more power. You may want to think about making some sacrifices.

Reducing weight can improve gas milage and make the car feel like it has more power.

 

well of the options, which will be more fuel efficent, and I don't mind paying as long as what I end up doing is reliable, and fun..

 

b00st is b3tt3r

 

I have a turbo F23 but I voted for H22 due to your key points and here's why:

1. Relibility - Boost breaks ****. I have proved this myself. My car has not been driven in the last 9 months at this point. Unless you build the bottom end you are living on borrowed time. (stock ringlands will eventually go) Even once built up you will probably start breaking axles, etc, and believe me this **** gets expensive.

2. Fuel Effiency - when at full throttle boost drinks gas. N/A H22 will be much better on gas even if you're constantly driving at WOT.

3. Fun to drive factor (power!!) - this is where boost wins, hands down. Stomping the pedal on an H22, even with VtAk , will not nearly put the smile on your face that spooling a turbo up does. Once the turbo spools and the power turns on like crazy you just can't help but smile - a big, maniacal grin. The sound, the pull, everything (when it works) is just ******* awesome.

But 2 out of 3 wins, and in your case where you're stressing reliability, go H22.

If you go boost make sure you have another car as a daily driver. You will need it.

-B

 

agreed

 

My question is exactly how much power are you looking for?

With I/H/E, pulleys, and a JET ECU upgrade, you can net 155~whp, and wtq. AFAccord has ran a 15.2 in the 1/4 mile with those mods.

The H22 has the horsepower number that everyone loves, but it lacks what the F-series possesses... torque. It has the top end power, that's for sure. I've driven my friend's slightly modded BB6, and the thing pulls like crazy higher in the powerband.

You get all three of your wants with that package. It's reliable, gets good gas mileage, and has a little bit of giddy-up.

 

F series turbo. You can spend $500 on pistons so you don't have to worry about the ring landings going. Get a good tune. It'll be very reliable. Fuel economy will suck though.

 

what kinda fuel economy are we looking at. Also I would have a street tune and a "race" tune...mainly just boost and a/f stuff...how would that affect my MPG...keep all opinions comming Thanks

 

Boost is an endless money pit as Notorious said. To do it right it costs a lot of $$.

N/A F23 - I'm doing it, a few others have w/ good results as well. Some run between low 14's and low 15's in the 1/4.

H22 - While I've only rode in one accord w/ an H22 I must say it was rather fun but you could tell that there was just something missing down low but when Vtec came in it just got louder and pulled harder, this was just a stock motor w/ I/H/E too.

 

well what kinda driver are you?

 

well, what do you mean....be a little more specific, and I can answer a little more clearly

Chris

 

My Accord is runnin @ 8.5 psi now and love it(14psi when I get back). I get 16 mpg tho, wich sux but thats drivin under boost all the time tho. And like notoriousB said, have another car to drive cuz **** will brake. My truck gets 9-10 mpg so in SOL on gas money.

 

well i drive like a ****** crazy person most of the time my mpg is a lot less than a person that doesnt bring it up past 3 grand. if you have a turbo your not going to get very good mpg like 15 to 20 depends on how much boost you run <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Accord_boy619 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My Accord is runnin @ 8.5 psi now and love it(14psi when I get back). I get 16 mpg tho, wich sux but thats drivin under boost all the time tho. And like notoriousB said, have another car to drive cuz **** will brake. My truck gets 9-10 mpg so in SOL on gas money.</TD></TR></TABLE>yep thats about right from what i herd but he probly has a heavy foot, i would to if i had a turbo

 

I hardly ever go above 3k, and I get close to 400 miles per tank.

 

h22 swap suit your needs that you listed but its much easier to boost the f23 then swap in an h22

 

thanks for the help guys...bump for more opinions

 

slapping a turbo on a car will not give you shitty gas mileage, beating the **** out've the car will. If you dont beat on the car constantly you can get 25+mpg pretty easy with a great part throttle tune. (part throttle is where you need to give a lot of attention to, not just WOT pulls)

H22s are awesome, but if staying N/A; stroke = torque. Now if your boosting; turbo = torque. You can take the advantages of the shorter stroke of the h22 if you want to boost. Rick Solis preached about this crap in threads on a few message boards, if it wasn't for school i'd have a nice lil SOHC F sporting a h22 crank and h22 tranny.

 

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I have a turbo F23 but I voted for H22 due to your key points and here's why:

1. Relibility - Boost breaks ****. I have proved this myself. My car has not been driven in the last 9 months at this point. Unless you build the bottom end you are living on borrowed time. (stock ringlands will eventually go) Even once built up you will probably start breaking axles, etc, and believe me this **** gets expensive.

2. Fuel Effiency - when at full throttle boost drinks gas. N/A H22 will be much better on gas even if you're constantly driving at WOT.

3. Fun to drive factor (power!!) - this is where boost wins, hands down. Stomping the pedal on an H22, even with VtAk , will not nearly put the smile on your face that spooling a turbo up does. Once the turbo spools and the power turns on like crazy you just can't help but smile - a big, maniacal grin. The sound, the pull, everything (when it works) is just ******* awesome.

But 2 out of 3 wins, and in your case where you're stressing reliability, go H22.

If you go boost make sure you have another car as a daily driver. You will need it.

-B
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Couldn't be said any better.

Ever thought about nitrous?

 

bump! interesting...

 

Also interest about building an f23 for FI, is there any forged pistons for the f23?
Can't find anything.

 

http://www.importperformanceparts.net/

Check their Engine Kits...

 

those kits are misleading - it's all custom parts you will have to wait 4-8 weeks for. I talked to those people when I started my buildup.

Check http://www.raceeng.com - they have F23 pistons IN STOCK and also carry Crower Billet rods for the F23.

 

Sweeeet.

Thanks for the correction B. Saves me some time!

 

H22 with nitrous ...H22 is a reliable engine(came in accord in japan), good power compared to F series, and more fuel economical then turbo...and the nitrous is just to cure ur lil need for speed once in awhile and nothing beats it for dollar to horsepower ratio