i just sent in my payment to get a p28+harness, i had a question for some of you all motor guys. once i switch my ECU, what do i have to do thats necessary? I planned on getting hondata but now im reading that Crome is better/equivalent to Hondata, So would i waste my money on Hondata??

btw, i plan on going turbo in the near future.

 

I use both and are a dealer for both

Have made well over 500whp on both in street cars

9 out of 10 customers go with crome because it is a little more affordable

We run s300 in our race car because it has internal data logging

If u are taking it somewhere to be tuned then use what they feel more comfortable with

 

Well I wanna get my car tuned asap, my p28 is on its way and im confused on what to do once it arrives.. Hondata is gonna cost me an arm and a leg, crome is free correct?

 

are you going to tune it yourself?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by andysila &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> crome is free correct?</TD></TR></TABLE>

not if you're going to tune it yourself

you will need these items

crome pro 150
ostrich 175(web site says backordered at the moment)
data log cable 25
chip burner 85(if u don't want to leave ostrich in all the time) = $435

with above parts u can tune your buddies car also

A little more for s300 and all u have to worry about is pluging in a usb cable to tune

I assume you have a wideband or access to a dyno with one if u r considering tuning it yourself

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1840cc &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">are you going to tune it yourself?</TD></TR></TABLE>
no i am not, thinking about taking it to someone.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by andysila &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">no i am not, thinking about taking it to someone.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Then crome will be cheaper by far if they have the capability to tune with crome

Just did 2 cars today with Crome

 

how much is it usually? for everything (Sockecting, tuning. dyno?)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by andysila &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how much is it usually? for everything (Sockecting, tuning. dyno?)</TD></TR></TABLE>

usually 150-200 chipping and 150 for dyno tune. Tunners charge by the hour. When we tune a car usually it takes less than an hour.

 

u could go with the hondata s200 they are a little bit cheaper....and if u have to pay 100 or more bucks to get ur ecu socketed ur getting ripped off. mine cost 60. i wil agree with the dyno time....mine was about 167 or something.

 

p28- $100 bucks
socket the p28 - $25
datalogging cable - $18
wideband varies - $250 to $$$$$
eeprom burner - $40
crome - free
ecucontrol for datalogging - free

now price out hondata =P

 

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usually 150-200 chipping and 150 for dyno tune. Tunners charge by the hour. When we tune a car usually it takes less than an hour.</TD></TR></TABLE>

just had to say something to this...if you pay more then 50 bucks to have your ecu chiped consider yourself royally ripped off...i charge $25+shipping

here is a socketing kit + zif socket and chip for $15
http://www.moates.net/product_...id=42

 

got my hondata s200 275 shipped!! no boost so 475 shipped for the boost capabilities....that has all of ur cords, data logging, launch control, etc look at it on the hondata web site u get a lot of good stuff.if u want to tune it ur self it like 150 for the software.


oh and u dont have to but the boost now if ur gonna wait to turbo it...u can just get the base system now and add the boost later....its just a code that the dealer will put in i believe. costs 200

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ilikehonda &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">got my hondata s200 275 shipped!! no boost so 475 shipped for the boost capabilities....that has all of ur cords, data logging, launch control, etc look at it on the hondata web site u get a lot of good stuff.if u want to tune it ur self it like 150 for the software.


oh and u dont have to but the boost now if ur gonna wait to turbo it...u can just get the base system now and add the boost later....its just a code that the dealer will put in i believe. costs 200</TD></TR></TABLE>

the dealer software to tune hondata is a lot more then 150 bucks and your forgetting about a wideband, eeprom burner, and eeprom emulator....hondata is not cheap....crome does everything hondata does for a lot less




Modified by 2k.civic.si at 1:19 AM 10/2/2005

 

dont get me wrong im not saying i think hondata is better.....i know nothing about crome....just my experience with it

 

There is a difference between a car that runs and has a good A/F number and a car that runs good, performs at is peak, good A/F and the right timing ( ignition, cams, and so on.....). A good tuners time is worth more than a cheap eeprom burner and some cables. cheaper doesnt = better its just cheaper

 

crome also has gear based fuel multiplier and individual cylinder trim to name a couple features hondata doesnt have...its also scriptable...
"cheaper doesnt = better" in this case it does...and if you have crome or hondata youll still need most of the same equipment...both require a socketed ecu, eeprom burner, emulator for tuning, datalogging cable etc etc...

 

they dont need the eeprom burner, cables and so on if they are paying a good tuner to tune their car that already has that stuff. PLus as I said before good tuner will make alot more power than your average weekend warrior can do. The majority of people have no business trying to tune their own cars anyway. Lets compare the amount a cars in the winners circle at big races running Hondata Vs cars running Crome or Uberdata.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by H2nr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">they dont need the eeprom burner, cables and so on if they are paying a good tuner to tune their car that already has that stuff. PLus as I said before good tuner will make alot more power than your average weekend warrior can do. The majority of people have no business trying to tune their own cars anyway. Lets compare the amount a cars in the winners circle at big races running Hondata Vs cars running Crome or Uberdata. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Crome is still cheaper if you have it professionally tuned or not. That winners circle argument is essentially useless. There is no reason they wouldn't have the same success running Crome.

 

for some poeple their goal is cheap power but thats not everyones goal. My point was there is more than one way to look at the numbers than the way 2k.civic.si is trying to spin it. Everything has its place. Thats why there is Walmart and Dillards, Burger King and red lobster, and so on..........

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2k.civic.si &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">crome also has gear based fuel multiplier and individual cylinder trim to name a couple features hondata doesnt have...its also scriptable...
"cheaper doesnt = better" in this case it does...and if you have crome or hondata youll still need most of the same equipment...both require a socketed ecu, eeprom burner, emulator for tuning, datalogging cable etc etc...</TD></TR></TABLE>

S300 has that stuff.
The gear corrections in Crome don't work properly.

 

isnt the s300 already encoutering alot of problems?

 

Yeah it is....

There's really only one solution out there right now where the maker doesn't use customers as guinea pigs. It isn't out yet, but will be soon, and not only do all the hot features work properly, there are cool new features you didn't even know were cool.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by H2nr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">for some poeple their goal is cheap power but thats not everyones goal. My point was there is more than one way to look at the numbers than the way 2k.civic.si is trying to spin it. Everything has its place. Thats why there is Walmart and Dillards, Burger King and red lobster, and so on.......... </TD></TR></TABLE>

your an idiot....both crome and hondata work the same way...using a stock ecu with manipulated code....now if you want to pay for a bunch of 1's and 0's u can... or u can get it for free...there is always a sucker for every product....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by H2nr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There is a difference between a car that runs and has a good A/F number and a car that runs good, performs at is peak, good A/F and the right timing ( ignition, cams, and so on.....). A good tuners time is worth more than a cheap eeprom burner and some cables. cheaper doesnt = better its just cheaper</TD></TR></TABLE>

You're right, cheaper doesnt equal better <U>in most situations</U>. In this case though as well as a few others, I agree with 2k.civic.si, Crome is a better format IMO than Hondata.

There are many companies out there in the performance world that sell overpriced pieces of **** equipment that do not work, you have to do your research. I am not saying Hondata is bad, but 6-7yrs ago there wasnt anything else and hondata was the cheaper alternative. Now you have new options.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by H2nr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">they dont need the eeprom burner, cables and so on if they are paying a good tuner to tune their car that already has that stuff. PLus as I said before good tuner will make alot more power than your average weekend warrior can do. The majority of people have no business trying to tune their own cars anyway. Lets compare the amount a cars in the winners circle at big races running Hondata Vs cars running Crome or Uberdata. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Last time I checked there are a lot of ppl using Crome and Uberdata now b/c it offers more features than Hondata. I see a lot of Honda Challenge guys switching over, as well as many turbo guys, and ppl that use ITB's.

Also I see nothing wrong with learning how to tune your own car. PPL did for years back before there were such things as dynos. How do you think "Test N Tune" sessions at teh track got started. Now we work with more advanced technology than back in the day, so that just means you need to advance your knowledge and do more research. To me there is nothing better than quality time on the dyno with a professional tuner, however what is wrong with learning how everything in your car operates and being able to tune it on teh fly when some ppl live a good 200 + miles from a dyno or dont always have the money to pay those high tuner rates.