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Old Sep 28, 2005 | 09:26 AM
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Like it states is anybody aware of what a stock hatch weighs without the glass installed. Thanks
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Old Sep 28, 2005 | 09:30 AM
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I had never felt one prior to this weekend. I couldn't believe how heavy it was without the shock supports. Even without the glass, it's VERY heavy. Perhaps Adam will chime in. You can IM him as he's username AdamITR
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Old Sep 28, 2005 | 09:32 AM
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Yeah although i dont care for the non fuctional carbon show type stuff, i feel it is probably a easy sponsorship to get for a racecar and may offer some good weight savings.
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Old Sep 28, 2005 | 09:37 AM
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Yea theyre heavy!! Never felt on without the glass but I'm sure its still up there. They remind me of the crx hatch.
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Old Sep 28, 2005 | 09:39 AM
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I have a bare one (no glass, spoiler or hardware), and it's stout. 30+ lbs?
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Old Sep 28, 2005 | 09:41 AM
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looking for an exact weight as my H1 car might be a bit on the heavy side
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Old Sep 28, 2005 | 09:49 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Casey@Burns &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">looking for an exact weight as my H1 car might be a bit on the heavy side</TD></TR></TABLE>

Understood. If it were at all practical for me to weigh it, I would (it's in a storage unit across town with no scale).

If someone wants to go by there and weigh it (and take it and throw it away), you're welcome to it.
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Old Sep 28, 2005 | 09:51 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Splat &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Understood. If it were at all practical for me to weigh it, I would (it's in a storage unit across town with no scale).

If someone wants to go by there and weigh it (and take it and throw it away), you're welcome to it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

lol, pawning off work.
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Old Sep 28, 2005 | 09:58 AM
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Something to remember is that if you use a carbon hatch you will probably need to come up with a more complex method of carrying rear wing loads.

When you're at Laguna in a few weeks take a look at how the Cadillacs are done. There's at least one other car in the GT class that has a subframe carrying wing loads down to the trunk floor.

Scott, who has a lexan window and a stock hatch...and the wing mounting is plenty stout. I'll post some pics of what I did for you Casey.
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Old Sep 28, 2005 | 10:17 AM
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GENIUS!
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Old Sep 28, 2005 | 10:25 AM
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Scott i hear what your saying really i do, but hopefully the bling bling carbon thats is readily available is strong enough to support the load


Casey - who is wondering why all of you **** ITR guys cant tell me the weight of the hatch
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Old Sep 28, 2005 | 10:27 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RR98ITR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Something to remember is that if you use a carbon hatch you will probably need to come up with a more complex method of carrying rear wing loads.

When you're at Laguna in a few weeks take a look at how the Cadillacs are done. There's at least one other car in the GT class that has a subframe carrying wing loads down to the trunk floor.

Scott, who has a lexan window and a stock hatch...and the wing mounting is plenty stout. I'll post some pics of what I did for you Casey.</TD></TR></TABLE> So Scott, what is the exact weight for the lexan glass?
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Old Sep 28, 2005 | 10:27 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Casey@Burns &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Scott i hear what your saying really i do, but hopefully the bling bling carbon thats is readily available is strong enough to support the load


Casey - who is wondering why all of you **** ITR guys cant tell me the weight of the hatch </TD></TR></TABLE>

Just safety wire it.

I'll go take my hatch off and jump on the scale


Braille Auto Development has their No-Weight Hatch Kit:
Includes:
- Carbon Fiber Hatch
- Acrylic (not lexan) rear window Resistant to scratches and easily buffs out! - Our windows is lighter than the standard FAL window.
- NEW factory molding - no leaks, guaranteed.
- 1 yr warranty
- Installation instructions
- Factory Mounting
- 30+ pounds weight savings!
- $1197.00 Retail- Discounts offered to Group Buys of 10 or more units.
The advantage of this kit is that you don't have to shop around from various suppliers to get:
- The glass ($400.00)
- The molding (100.00)
- The hatch ($450-900, check around)
- Shipping ($100.00 -125.00 for the hatch, ($90.00 up for the glass), ($10 for the molding)
If you would like more info or to place an order the number is 888-6BRAILLE
The web site will be up Just after SEMA 2003.

Look for Braille products on Skunk2, Jackson Racing and Comptech Vehicles at SEMA 2003.

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Old Sep 28, 2005 | 10:32 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by walker111 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Just safety wire it.

I'll go take my hatch off and jump on the scale </TD></TR></TABLE>


I think what scott is saying is that, the load of the downforce will push the hatch down and change the angle of the wing entirely..... not a good thing... and variable according to speed.

I have a complete hatch minus wing that I could weigh - but it's so heavy that one person would have a hard time standing on a scale with it in hand.....
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Old Sep 28, 2005 | 10:33 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Black R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


I think what scott is saying is that, the load of the downforce will push the hatch down and change the angle of the wing entirely..... not a good thing... and variable according to speed.

I have a complete hatch minus wing that I could weigh - but it's so heavy that one person would have a hard time standing on a scale with it in hand..... </TD></TR></TABLE>

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Old Sep 28, 2005 | 10:35 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Black R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


I think what scott is saying is that, the load of the downforce will push the hatch down and change the angle of the wing entirely..... not a good thing... and variable according to speed.

I have a complete hatch minus wing that I could weigh - but it's so heavy that one person would have a hard time standing on a scale with it in hand..... </TD></TR></TABLE>

Even worse - I was thinking that you might quickly crack and break the mounting area out of the carbon hatch.

Scott, who will do some weighing and posting later tonite...
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Old Sep 28, 2005 | 10:44 AM
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Yeah i know it's heavy and i checked with one of the bling bling carbon hatch manufacturers this morning and there's weighed 30 lbs with no glass, so now i just need the weight of the hatch!
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Old Sep 28, 2005 | 11:07 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Casey@Burns &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah i know it's heavy and i checked with one of the bling bling carbon hatch manufacturers this morning and there's weighed 30 lbs with no glass, so now i just need the weight of the hatch!</TD></TR></TABLE>


WHAAT!?

A cf hatch weighs 30lbs?

Screw that, I can get my buddy at ELAN/ PANOZ to make one in the 10lb range.....!

And I know there is no chance of it deforming due to the added downforce of a wing.....!
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Old Sep 28, 2005 | 11:10 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Black R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


WHAAT!?

A cf hatch weighs 30lbs?

Screw that, I can get my buddy at ELAN/ PANOZ to make one in the 10lb range.....!

And I know there is no chance of it deforming due to the added downforce of a wing.....!</TD></TR></TABLE>

Can we get a group buy on that?
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Old Sep 28, 2005 | 11:23 AM
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WHAAT!?

A cf hatch weighs 30lbs?

Screw that, I can get my buddy at ELAN/ PANOZ to make one in the 10lb range.....!

And I know there is no chance of it deforming due to the added downforce of a wing.....!</TD></TR></TABLE>

ok then why dont you go ahead and get me a price on that
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Old Sep 28, 2005 | 05:24 PM
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I started to get a mold made - but the first mold is like $2k!

After that, it's not too expensive to make lots and lots of hatches.....
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Old Sep 28, 2005 | 06:15 PM
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Are you saying the bare aftermarket carbon fiber hatch weighed 30lbs?
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Old Sep 28, 2005 | 10:04 PM
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All I know is that the FAL rear window weighs approx 15 lbs all by itself.

And I also know that I posted a bunch of wing pics here: https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1386771...but that's all I know.

Scott, who knows too that a carbon hatch and a FAL window is Really Light...local guy Cramer has both and I've lifted it...Really Light.
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