Huge thumbsdown to Golden Eagle MFG "MUST READ" details inside
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Huge thumbsdown to Golden Eagle MFG "MUST READ" details inside
Well I didn't want to have to do this but over the past two years I've been wondering why my motor has given me nothing but problems. I wanted everyone to see this it's very important that you understand I've invested over $7000 almost $8000 into my all motor setup! From day one the motor has given me nothing but a big headache. I've spent countless hours in my garage, spent a great amount of money having the car diagnosed at different place, and never wanted to believe what I'm about to tell you.
Back a few years ago I ruined my stock frm sleeves with nitrous. I didn't have a local machine shop that I felt comfortable with fixing the block. What was I to do you ask, send my block to Golden Eagle MFG to have sleeved with their HD ductile iron sleeves. I'm no engine guru so I didn't feel comfortable assembling the block so I paid Golden Eagle to assemble it. I've got almost $3000 into my block, paid through paypal for the sleeving and engine building. Upon arrival of my block I had no documentation included with the built block, not a balancing sheet, not a spec/tolerance sheet. I was in contact with Vince a few times about this and all he could tell me is that my block tested out 100%! This is where he went wrong.
I was in the process of removing my head to further diagnose my problems, I'm not going to get into the symptoms the car was having because that is not the issue. Upon leaning over my block last night for an hour I noticed something very interesting. HMMM I've got grooves in the valve reliefs. Wonder how that happened you ask? Intake valves are bigger than the exhaust valves on the H22 engine right! I studied the valve reliefs on my JE pistons, looked at my head, and about **** myself right then and there. Golden Eagle assembled my block with the exhaust valve reliefs on the intake side of the head and vice versa. There is no way the intake valves would clear the exhaust valve reliefs on those pistons.
I instantly turned HOT/Pissed because I just figured out why my motor has never ran right. Couldn't figure out why my crosshatch was gone on the backside of the sleeves, couldn't figure out why I've got wear lines like that, couldn't figure out why I've had a loss of oil pressure. Now I know the rod bearings have taken a beating, cylinders probably out of round and so forth. I'm not an engine expert but it doesn't take a genious to figure out these pistons were installed wrong by Golden Eagle. I wan't gettting blamed for this, it's not like I had the timing belt wrong or cams not degreed right in the motor. The pistons are 180 out, the pictures speak for themselves. No bullshit hear, why would I lie, and I sure as hell didn't take my pistons out and turn them around so I don't want to hear that out of anyones mouth. Not only are the pistons ruined, my valves may be bent also, titanium retainers took a beating, rods who knows. I bought a brand new cylinder head because I thought that was the problem, guess I was wrong huh!
I'm posting this because I've heard countless times how Golden Eagle has never had any problems with their blocks, yeah right
! We will see how this situation gets handled, what kind of ethics Vince and his boys at Golden Eagle try to preach. They always say they care about their customers, but yet I couldn't ever get a return phone call when I was wanting my spec/tolerances, blueprinting details, balancing details and so forth. I'm at a lost for words, Vince has been somewhat nice to me over the last year or two but we will see if he cares about the little man! Face it GE you guys messed up BIGTIME!
Any engine builders that would like to voice their opinion please do so!
^looking at the picture the bottom of the pic is towards the front of the engine, I'm right that's all there is to it
^notice intake valves 35mm / exhaust valves 30mm I believe!
No need to talk in PM, email, or over the phone Vince what do you got to say about this?
Back a few years ago I ruined my stock frm sleeves with nitrous. I didn't have a local machine shop that I felt comfortable with fixing the block. What was I to do you ask, send my block to Golden Eagle MFG to have sleeved with their HD ductile iron sleeves. I'm no engine guru so I didn't feel comfortable assembling the block so I paid Golden Eagle to assemble it. I've got almost $3000 into my block, paid through paypal for the sleeving and engine building. Upon arrival of my block I had no documentation included with the built block, not a balancing sheet, not a spec/tolerance sheet. I was in contact with Vince a few times about this and all he could tell me is that my block tested out 100%! This is where he went wrong.
I was in the process of removing my head to further diagnose my problems, I'm not going to get into the symptoms the car was having because that is not the issue. Upon leaning over my block last night for an hour I noticed something very interesting. HMMM I've got grooves in the valve reliefs. Wonder how that happened you ask? Intake valves are bigger than the exhaust valves on the H22 engine right! I studied the valve reliefs on my JE pistons, looked at my head, and about **** myself right then and there. Golden Eagle assembled my block with the exhaust valve reliefs on the intake side of the head and vice versa. There is no way the intake valves would clear the exhaust valve reliefs on those pistons.
I instantly turned HOT/Pissed because I just figured out why my motor has never ran right. Couldn't figure out why my crosshatch was gone on the backside of the sleeves, couldn't figure out why I've got wear lines like that, couldn't figure out why I've had a loss of oil pressure. Now I know the rod bearings have taken a beating, cylinders probably out of round and so forth. I'm not an engine expert but it doesn't take a genious to figure out these pistons were installed wrong by Golden Eagle. I wan't gettting blamed for this, it's not like I had the timing belt wrong or cams not degreed right in the motor. The pistons are 180 out, the pictures speak for themselves. No bullshit hear, why would I lie, and I sure as hell didn't take my pistons out and turn them around so I don't want to hear that out of anyones mouth. Not only are the pistons ruined, my valves may be bent also, titanium retainers took a beating, rods who knows. I bought a brand new cylinder head because I thought that was the problem, guess I was wrong huh!
I'm posting this because I've heard countless times how Golden Eagle has never had any problems with their blocks, yeah right
! We will see how this situation gets handled, what kind of ethics Vince and his boys at Golden Eagle try to preach. They always say they care about their customers, but yet I couldn't ever get a return phone call when I was wanting my spec/tolerances, blueprinting details, balancing details and so forth. I'm at a lost for words, Vince has been somewhat nice to me over the last year or two but we will see if he cares about the little man! Face it GE you guys messed up BIGTIME!Any engine builders that would like to voice their opinion please do so!
^looking at the picture the bottom of the pic is towards the front of the engine, I'm right that's all there is to it
^notice intake valves 35mm / exhaust valves 30mm I believe!
No need to talk in PM, email, or over the phone Vince what do you got to say about this?
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Re: Huge thumbsdown to Golden Eagle MFG "MUST READ" details inside (shdriver99)
I offered to take care of the situation. Eric would not even talk to me about me fixing the issue. Here is the IM messages from start to finish:
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Originally Posted by shdriver99
(11:35 PM 9/26/2005) shdriver99:Hey Vince preludedriver99 here (Eric Kooken)! You boys at Golden Eagle are going to owe me some big money because I just figured out why my motor has been fucked up for almost 2 years now. You guys installed my pistons wrong. Don't believe me I'll take 500 pictures for you! This is bullshit, I couldn't figure out for the life of me what the deal was and why my pistons looked like the valves were making contact with the valve reliefs. Intake valves are bigger than exhaust valves right, exactly! The reliefs are therefore bigger for the intake valves than the exhaust valves. You've got the pistons installed with the exhaust reliefs on the intake side therefore this explains the pop/ticking I've been getting ever since I put the motor in the car. I wouldn't expect you guys would mess up but you did. I'll be back with pictures for you. I'm contacting a lawyer tomorrow about the situation. I'm not joking about any of this and I'm furious. I've stuck up for you guys long enough when people bashed you guys, not anymore. I don't think you want honda-tech, superhonda, han, preludeonline, and preludepower finding this out so if the situation is handled properly I won't say a word. Now looks like I get to take the block back out of the car. I will follow a lawsuit if the situation is handled with your full attention. It's totally obvious now that I sat for an hr and looked at the block! Respond ASAP my friend!
(11:56 PM 9/26/2005) shdriver99:
^reliefs at the bottom of the pic are on the exhaust side when obviously the piston should have the bigger reliefs on the intake side! Need more proof!
^wanna see another cylinder
^intake reliefs on the left (exhaust side) no wonder the bitch wouldn't run on startup because it was getting flooded with fuel and even took my cross hatch off, need another cylinder?
^need a pic of the head ok here!
^intake valves on top towards intake manifold. You think those valves are going to fit in the exhaust reliefs. I want every single penny I put in this block back. I've spent 8 grand on this motor not to mention all the hrs I've spent laboring on this bitch! Bullshit vince! I'm not going to say another word it's already been verified by a ase certified. I don't want you to fix it I want every dollar I gave you back, including the cost of the pistons. Couldn't figure out why my motor wasn't getting the right amount of air and all fuel, now I know! What do you have to say about this?
(6:58 AM 9/27/2005) shdriver99: Ok vince, I see you're online! I know you received my pm late last night about my h22a4 sleeved block you guys did for me. I paid you guys BIG money (in my eyes) to build this block right to assure myself no mistakes were made and what do you know you guys messed up. Here is a guy that professionally built my head for me to go on this built block. PM taken directly from him!
PocketRockets Racing (2:45 PM 9/27/2005): yep, the pistons are backwards.........why do you think I don't do business with golden eagle?
I don't know if you're avoiding me or what but since day one my motor has been messed up bad. Stalling instantly on startup because well obviously my intake valves were hitting the exhaust valve pockets because you guys installed my pistons wrong. I've invested almost 8 grand into this engine now and I've paid countless people big money to diagnose this car. I want this fixed and I want this fixed right Vince this is not fair. I've confirmed this with 4 major engine builders to this point. I'm EXTREMELY upset and I'm sorry if I came off like a jerk in my first pm but you have to see where I'm coming from here. From here on out I will handle this professionally, like a business matter should be! Please contact me, if I don't hear from you on honda-tech I will contact you via the phone so we can discuss what needs to be done. I know I've got bent intake valves because of them hitting the smaller exhaust reliefs, ruined titanium retainers on the exhaust side because of this, ruined pistons, and a whole lot of work to do know because I've got to take the block back out of the car! To think I almost sold this block to someone because I'm tired of dealing with it, can't sell it now because it's junk. No wonder fuel was getting in my oil, no wonder the cross hatch is basically gone, I simply cannot believe my eyes. Please respond asap. If you would like to contact me please call ***-***-**** I'm Eric! I asked for the balancing/blueprint details on this engine and you told me you had none but assured me the block tested 100% perfect, yeah right! I've got pictures of the day the block got to me and it clearly shows the pistons installed incorrectly!
(7:16 AM 9/27/2005) GoldenEagleMfg.com: Eric, I have not been on Honda-Tech. I leave my computer at work on. I am not avoiding you. Hang on, let me read your IM.....
(7:28 AM 9/27/2005) shdriver99: We need to speak on the phone not over this instant message crap! Give me the number directly to your office. You weren't online last night when I found this out and were this morning so I got the feeling I was being stuck with your guys mistake! My contact number is ***-***-****! I'd appreciate making this right. If you've got a direct email I can link all the pictures to you there so you can clearly see the pistons were installed wrong buy your boys!
(7:42 AM 9/27/2005) GoldenEagleMfg.com: Eric, please send the pics over. Remember, it's only 7:40 AM here! I want to figure this out with you, and I am here to help you, so please work with me on this so we can get you back up and running asap!!!!
e-mail is Vince@goldeneaglemfg.com
(8:26 AM 9/27/2005) shdriver99: Back up and running what are you talking about it hasn't ever ran right and now I know why. I'm posting this on honda-tech because I'm not being stuck with this motor. GE sleeved and built this motor. I paid for craftsmanship not fuckups like this and it's major!
(8:43 AM 9/27/2005) GoldenEagleMfg.com: Look, I am trying to help you. I dont know why you are not cooperating with me. I will PERSONALLY handle this for you and take care of it. Work with me. Send me the pics on e-mail for my record, and then we will work out the details about getting this thing fixed!
(8:53 AM 9/27/2005) GoldenEagleMfg.com: Eric, just to let you know, I would NEVER stick ANY of my customers with a problem like this, but you MUST help me to help you.
(9:11 AM 9/27/2005) GoldenEagleMfg.com: Are you still there?
(9:13 AM 9/27/2005) shdriver99: Posted in the all motor forum, I've got nothing more to say I've got to take my freakin block back out of my car by myself AGAIN. How bout covering my hrs I've put into the car, you'd owe me for about 500hrs of messin with it! I will document every private message you send me, every email, and tape every phone conversation! I've contacted a lawyer, we will see others reactions. Hate to do this Vince but I wasn't going to be blamed for installing pistons wrong on a block you guys assembled sorry!
(9:15 AM 9/27/2005) GoldenEagleMfg.com: Wow, you didn't even want to handle this in a professional manner. What else can I offer but to make it right for you. I want to work with you, but you have to realize that I cannot help you if all you do is ignore my request to help!
(11:56 PM 9/26/2005) shdriver99:
^reliefs at the bottom of the pic are on the exhaust side when obviously the piston should have the bigger reliefs on the intake side! Need more proof!
^wanna see another cylinder
^intake reliefs on the left (exhaust side) no wonder the bitch wouldn't run on startup because it was getting flooded with fuel and even took my cross hatch off, need another cylinder?
^need a pic of the head ok here!
^intake valves on top towards intake manifold. You think those valves are going to fit in the exhaust reliefs. I want every single penny I put in this block back. I've spent 8 grand on this motor not to mention all the hrs I've spent laboring on this bitch! Bullshit vince! I'm not going to say another word it's already been verified by a ase certified. I don't want you to fix it I want every dollar I gave you back, including the cost of the pistons. Couldn't figure out why my motor wasn't getting the right amount of air and all fuel, now I know! What do you have to say about this?
(6:58 AM 9/27/2005) shdriver99: Ok vince, I see you're online! I know you received my pm late last night about my h22a4 sleeved block you guys did for me. I paid you guys BIG money (in my eyes) to build this block right to assure myself no mistakes were made and what do you know you guys messed up. Here is a guy that professionally built my head for me to go on this built block. PM taken directly from him!
PocketRockets Racing (2:45 PM 9/27/2005): yep, the pistons are backwards.........why do you think I don't do business with golden eagle?
I don't know if you're avoiding me or what but since day one my motor has been messed up bad. Stalling instantly on startup because well obviously my intake valves were hitting the exhaust valve pockets because you guys installed my pistons wrong. I've invested almost 8 grand into this engine now and I've paid countless people big money to diagnose this car. I want this fixed and I want this fixed right Vince this is not fair. I've confirmed this with 4 major engine builders to this point. I'm EXTREMELY upset and I'm sorry if I came off like a jerk in my first pm but you have to see where I'm coming from here. From here on out I will handle this professionally, like a business matter should be! Please contact me, if I don't hear from you on honda-tech I will contact you via the phone so we can discuss what needs to be done. I know I've got bent intake valves because of them hitting the smaller exhaust reliefs, ruined titanium retainers on the exhaust side because of this, ruined pistons, and a whole lot of work to do know because I've got to take the block back out of the car! To think I almost sold this block to someone because I'm tired of dealing with it, can't sell it now because it's junk. No wonder fuel was getting in my oil, no wonder the cross hatch is basically gone, I simply cannot believe my eyes. Please respond asap. If you would like to contact me please call ***-***-**** I'm Eric! I asked for the balancing/blueprint details on this engine and you told me you had none but assured me the block tested 100% perfect, yeah right! I've got pictures of the day the block got to me and it clearly shows the pistons installed incorrectly!
(7:16 AM 9/27/2005) GoldenEagleMfg.com: Eric, I have not been on Honda-Tech. I leave my computer at work on. I am not avoiding you. Hang on, let me read your IM.....
(7:28 AM 9/27/2005) shdriver99: We need to speak on the phone not over this instant message crap! Give me the number directly to your office. You weren't online last night when I found this out and were this morning so I got the feeling I was being stuck with your guys mistake! My contact number is ***-***-****! I'd appreciate making this right. If you've got a direct email I can link all the pictures to you there so you can clearly see the pistons were installed wrong buy your boys!
(7:42 AM 9/27/2005) GoldenEagleMfg.com: Eric, please send the pics over. Remember, it's only 7:40 AM here! I want to figure this out with you, and I am here to help you, so please work with me on this so we can get you back up and running asap!!!!
e-mail is Vince@goldeneaglemfg.com
(8:26 AM 9/27/2005) shdriver99: Back up and running what are you talking about it hasn't ever ran right and now I know why. I'm posting this on honda-tech because I'm not being stuck with this motor. GE sleeved and built this motor. I paid for craftsmanship not fuckups like this and it's major!
(8:43 AM 9/27/2005) GoldenEagleMfg.com: Look, I am trying to help you. I dont know why you are not cooperating with me. I will PERSONALLY handle this for you and take care of it. Work with me. Send me the pics on e-mail for my record, and then we will work out the details about getting this thing fixed!
(8:53 AM 9/27/2005) GoldenEagleMfg.com: Eric, just to let you know, I would NEVER stick ANY of my customers with a problem like this, but you MUST help me to help you.
(9:11 AM 9/27/2005) GoldenEagleMfg.com: Are you still there?
(9:13 AM 9/27/2005) shdriver99: Posted in the all motor forum, I've got nothing more to say I've got to take my freakin block back out of my car by myself AGAIN. How bout covering my hrs I've put into the car, you'd owe me for about 500hrs of messin with it! I will document every private message you send me, every email, and tape every phone conversation! I've contacted a lawyer, we will see others reactions. Hate to do this Vince but I wasn't going to be blamed for installing pistons wrong on a block you guys assembled sorry!
(9:15 AM 9/27/2005) GoldenEagleMfg.com: Wow, you didn't even want to handle this in a professional manner. What else can I offer but to make it right for you. I want to work with you, but you have to realize that I cannot help you if all you do is ignore my request to help!
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Re: Huge thumbsdown to Golden Eagle MFG "MUST READ" details inside (shdriver99)
interesting.
I know they do EXCELLENT sleeving work and machine work, however i was always wondering why they would get into actual public ENGINE building. thats NOT what the specialize in.
They are a reputable company, im sure you have called them direct, what did they hve to say about this on the phone?
EDIT: well it looks like he was trying to help you man, i think you need to SEND HIM THESE PICS FORMALLY so they can have it on record. you gotta work WITH Them man, otherwise you prob just screwed your chances of getting any help out of them.
I know they do EXCELLENT sleeving work and machine work, however i was always wondering why they would get into actual public ENGINE building. thats NOT what the specialize in.
They are a reputable company, im sure you have called them direct, what did they hve to say about this on the phone?
EDIT: well it looks like he was trying to help you man, i think you need to SEND HIM THESE PICS FORMALLY so they can have it on record. you gotta work WITH Them man, otherwise you prob just screwed your chances of getting any help out of them.
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Re: Huge thumbsdown to Golden Eagle MFG "MUST READ" details inside (VtecKiDD)
I still have the offer on the table to correct the problem, but I cannot do so until I get Eric to agree. UNtil then, I am patiently awaiting here to hear back from him!
Eric, I am here to help, ask anyone on here. I will take care of this, I cannot stress that enough!
Eric, I am here to help, ask anyone on here. I will take care of this, I cannot stress that enough!
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Re: Huge thumbsdown to Golden Eagle MFG "MUST READ" details inside (VtecKiDD)
I have heard nothing but good things about vince, and their sleeve's. I too have never thought of them as engine builders, but who knows!? This will be interesting.
But IMO: I think Vince was doing that right thing from a buisness aspect, and handling it correctly. That should be a phone converstation though, not IM/E-Mail.
Sorry to hear about your engine though. Best of Luck.
But IMO: I think Vince was doing that right thing from a buisness aspect, and handling it correctly. That should be a phone converstation though, not IM/E-Mail.
Sorry to hear about your engine though. Best of Luck.
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Re: Huge thumbsdown to Golden Eagle MFG "MUST READ" details inside (GoldenEagleMfg.com)
Vince man, you basically have me in tears man. I've spent so many hours on this trying to fix it, never believing that you guys messed up! I'm so frustrated it's not even funny, you've GOT to take that into consideration. People have feelings, I almost lost my home due to this car, trying to get it rebuilt with the best parts, best people and so forth. I've probably spent $2000 on parts such as egr valves, map sensors, o2 sensors, different injectors, different management, and so forth. You cannot be pissed at me for this, I had to back my side of the story with the facts. I'm 28 years old and live week to week on paycheck to paycheck. I'm putting my wife through nursing school out of my pocket you just don't even understand Vince what this motor has cost us trying to fix it.
If you want to make the situation right that is fine and I'm pleased to send you the block back. You're lucky I did all the motor pulling/head pulling myself. Do you know what it's like to pull a motor out of a 99 type sh lude in a garage with 6 ft ceilings and narrow enough not to be able to open your car doors all the way. Probably not because I'm sure your house is huge. You may ask why I didn't just have Honda pull the motor or someone do the work for me, well the answer to that is because I invested everything we had in this and I don't have money left to do that. I'm not bullshitting you about me having 500+ hrs in this vince.
Pistons are ruined, all my crower ss valves are ruined, tit retainers ruined, who knows if the rods are ruined. This motor doesn't even have 500 miles on it vince. The tune wasn't to rich, had it dynoed on a mustang dyno 1100se to make sure I wasn't washing the sleeves. Well the pistons being installed wrong did that for me. I'm sure we can work this out but I just wanted to express my feelings which I'm allowed to do on here. Everyone makes mistakes just sucks when it happens to someone that doesn't have a lot of money and thought they were getting the best when they got a guy assembling my motor that didn't take the time to look at the pistons and put 2 + 2 together. I'd be finding out who assembled this motor if I was you and canning their ***! Anyone in their right mind would know the intake valves are bigger therefore the reliefs are bigger and constructed differently.
What makes me believe that my motor will be right when I get it back from you again? I even bought a new head from honda Vince because I was getting a tick/pop that sounded like it was coming from the head. Well now I know it was my valves hitting the reliefs. The head cost me $1200, I think you owe me a little more than just fixing my engine!
If you want to make the situation right that is fine and I'm pleased to send you the block back. You're lucky I did all the motor pulling/head pulling myself. Do you know what it's like to pull a motor out of a 99 type sh lude in a garage with 6 ft ceilings and narrow enough not to be able to open your car doors all the way. Probably not because I'm sure your house is huge. You may ask why I didn't just have Honda pull the motor or someone do the work for me, well the answer to that is because I invested everything we had in this and I don't have money left to do that. I'm not bullshitting you about me having 500+ hrs in this vince.
Pistons are ruined, all my crower ss valves are ruined, tit retainers ruined, who knows if the rods are ruined. This motor doesn't even have 500 miles on it vince. The tune wasn't to rich, had it dynoed on a mustang dyno 1100se to make sure I wasn't washing the sleeves. Well the pistons being installed wrong did that for me. I'm sure we can work this out but I just wanted to express my feelings which I'm allowed to do on here. Everyone makes mistakes just sucks when it happens to someone that doesn't have a lot of money and thought they were getting the best when they got a guy assembling my motor that didn't take the time to look at the pistons and put 2 + 2 together. I'd be finding out who assembled this motor if I was you and canning their ***! Anyone in their right mind would know the intake valves are bigger therefore the reliefs are bigger and constructed differently.
What makes me believe that my motor will be right when I get it back from you again? I even bought a new head from honda Vince because I was getting a tick/pop that sounded like it was coming from the head. Well now I know it was my valves hitting the reliefs. The head cost me $1200, I think you owe me a little more than just fixing my engine!
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Re: Huge thumbsdown to Golden Eagle MFG "MUST READ" details inside (shdriver99)
dont play the "WHAT IF GAME". contact him speak on the phone and go from there. GE is NOT going to discuss what they are going to do on a public forum.
Call them and talk to them in person
Call them and talk to them in person
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Re: Huge thumbsdown to Golden Eagle MFG "MUST READ" details inside (VtecKiDD)
I gave Vince my contact number in PM, I don't hear my phone ringing. I've got voicemail if I'm not available and I will return his call!
Get real man
I'm busy taking this block out of my car which by myself will take me a week at least. I work 65hrs a week so I've got limited time to get this done. Not to mention I have to tear everything down from the block, get packaging materials, pack it how GE says to and pay for shipping!
Get off my *** because I'm not in a real great mood!
Get real man
I'm busy taking this block out of my car which by myself will take me a week at least. I work 65hrs a week so I've got limited time to get this done. Not to mention I have to tear everything down from the block, get packaging materials, pack it how GE says to and pay for shipping!
Get off my *** because I'm not in a real great mood!
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Re: Huge thumbsdown to Golden Eagle MFG "MUST READ" details inside (shdriver99)
so it took you 2 years to figure out the valves were bent???? those valve would have been bent the first time you hit vtec. then you changed the head and still didnt notice.
yeah they fucked up, but come on dude.. dont be pissed at them that you threw away money at an obvious problem. hell i ran into this a week ago, local shop put the pistons in backwards.. i was w/the car on the dyno for break in/tuning. right after first full pull, the car wouldnt idle and vacuum was way low. instantly that tells me bent intake valves. towed it back to the shop, pulled the head, that was the 2nd thing i checked... hell people that were at the shop and knew nothing about building a motor even saw the pistons were backwards.
quit being such an ***, calm the **** down and take vince up on his offer before you **** off the wrong guy and you get none.
yeah they fucked up, but come on dude.. dont be pissed at them that you threw away money at an obvious problem. hell i ran into this a week ago, local shop put the pistons in backwards.. i was w/the car on the dyno for break in/tuning. right after first full pull, the car wouldnt idle and vacuum was way low. instantly that tells me bent intake valves. towed it back to the shop, pulled the head, that was the 2nd thing i checked... hell people that were at the shop and knew nothing about building a motor even saw the pistons were backwards.
quit being such an ***, calm the **** down and take vince up on his offer before you **** off the wrong guy and you get none.
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Re: Huge thumbsdown to Golden Eagle MFG "MUST READ" details inside (VtecKiDD)
Vince, has come out and said that he is willing to fix this. Why dont you just call him and fix this issue? I have had GE do alot of blocks for me and never once had and issue, not to say that this isn't one. GE stands by their work and Vince is wants to help from you so that he can fix it.
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Re: Huge thumbsdown to Golden Eagle MFG "MUST READ" details inside (regamaster)
I wasn't going to go into detail of what he did wrong, but since you all went there.....
You need to call GE yourself! Whether it's vince, or anybody else from Customer service.... Tell them the situation, tell them vince said online that he would take care of it. OR just call vince direct, and solve the problem. Be lucky that he is even willing to help you, because there are alot of buisness's out there, that are going to tell you to pay for everything again. Because a buisness does not know what that person does within the 2 years, they have the motor. It could be rebuit, and could be a mess up from someone else... Not saying that it is...but it does happen, and people are fucked up like that.
You need to call GE yourself! Whether it's vince, or anybody else from Customer service.... Tell them the situation, tell them vince said online that he would take care of it. OR just call vince direct, and solve the problem. Be lucky that he is even willing to help you, because there are alot of buisness's out there, that are going to tell you to pay for everything again. Because a buisness does not know what that person does within the 2 years, they have the motor. It could be rebuit, and could be a mess up from someone else... Not saying that it is...but it does happen, and people are fucked up like that.
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Re: Huge thumbsdown to Golden Eagle MFG "MUST READ" details inside (regamaster)
Eric, I will cover shipping both ways!!! I will inspect the head and fix whatever needs it ( components only directly related to the issue!!! ) and I will personally re-assemble the motor, and stand behind it 100%!!! That I promise to you, but you have to make the first move and agree to work with me before we get any further into it. It's your call. Work with me, or against me. We can both work together to get this taken care of!
*** EDIT *** ( just to add, Golden Eagle Mfg. will be inspecting the block for ANY sign of removal or alteration from it's original condition. Any alteration or removal of components will result in immediate warranty VOID and will not be covered )
Sorry guys, I had to add that! Legal mumbo jumbo.
*** EDIT *** ( just to add, Golden Eagle Mfg. will be inspecting the block for ANY sign of removal or alteration from it's original condition. Any alteration or removal of components will result in immediate warranty VOID and will not be covered )
Sorry guys, I had to add that! Legal mumbo jumbo.
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Re: Huge thumbsdown to Golden Eagle MFG "MUST READ" details inside (shdriver99)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by shdriver99 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Vince man, you basically have me in tears man. I've spent so many hours on this trying to fix it, never believing that you guys messed up! I'm so frustrated it's not even funny, you've GOT to take that into consideration. People have feelings, I almost lost my home due to this car, trying to get it rebuilt with the best parts, best people and so forth. I've probably spent $2000 on parts such as egr valves, map sensors, o2 sensors, different injectors, different management, and so forth. You cannot be pissed at me for this, I had to back my side of the story with the facts. I'm 28 years old and live week to week on paycheck to paycheck. I'm putting my wife through nursing school out of my pocket you just don't even understand Vince what this motor has cost us trying to fix it.
If you want to make the situation right that is fine and I'm pleased to send you the block back. You're lucky I did all the motor pulling/head pulling myself. Do you know what it's like to pull a motor out of a 99 type sh lude in a garage with 6 ft ceilings and narrow enough not to be able to open your car doors all the way. Probably not because I'm sure your house is huge. You may ask why I didn't just have Honda pull the motor or someone do the work for me, well the answer to that is because I invested everything we had in this and I don't have money left to do that. I'm not bullshitting you about me having 500+ hrs in this vince.
Pistons are ruined, all my crower ss valves are ruined, tit retainers ruined, who knows if the rods are ruined. This motor doesn't even have 500 miles on it vince. The tune wasn't to rich, had it dynoed on a mustang dyno 1100se to make sure I wasn't washing the sleeves. Well the pistons being installed wrong did that for me. I'm sure we can work this out but I just wanted to express my feelings which I'm allowed to do on here. Everyone makes mistakes just sucks when it happens to someone that doesn't have a lot of money and thought they were getting the best when they got a guy assembling my motor that didn't take the time to look at the pistons and put 2 + 2 together. I'd be finding out who assembled this motor if I was you and canning their ***! Anyone in their right mind would know the intake valves are bigger therefore the reliefs are bigger and constructed differently.
What makes me believe that my motor will be right when I get it back from you again? I even bought a new head from honda Vince because I was getting a tick/pop that sounded like it was coming from the head. Well now I know it was my valves hitting the reliefs. The head cost me $1200, I think you owe me a little more than just fixing my engine! </TD></TR></TABLE>
Vince will help you if your willing to work with him, stop being an asshat. If your living paycheck to paycheck and dumping 8k into a motor thats your own problem for not having your priorities straight. It sucks that you motor was assembeled incorrectly, but actiong like an idiot on thes forum isnt going to get it fixed. Why shoud he pay for a new head that you bought and your"500" hours of time. Grow the **** up and try and deal with vince rationally and realize anyone else after 2 years would tell you to go fist yourself.
If you want to make the situation right that is fine and I'm pleased to send you the block back. You're lucky I did all the motor pulling/head pulling myself. Do you know what it's like to pull a motor out of a 99 type sh lude in a garage with 6 ft ceilings and narrow enough not to be able to open your car doors all the way. Probably not because I'm sure your house is huge. You may ask why I didn't just have Honda pull the motor or someone do the work for me, well the answer to that is because I invested everything we had in this and I don't have money left to do that. I'm not bullshitting you about me having 500+ hrs in this vince.
Pistons are ruined, all my crower ss valves are ruined, tit retainers ruined, who knows if the rods are ruined. This motor doesn't even have 500 miles on it vince. The tune wasn't to rich, had it dynoed on a mustang dyno 1100se to make sure I wasn't washing the sleeves. Well the pistons being installed wrong did that for me. I'm sure we can work this out but I just wanted to express my feelings which I'm allowed to do on here. Everyone makes mistakes just sucks when it happens to someone that doesn't have a lot of money and thought they were getting the best when they got a guy assembling my motor that didn't take the time to look at the pistons and put 2 + 2 together. I'd be finding out who assembled this motor if I was you and canning their ***! Anyone in their right mind would know the intake valves are bigger therefore the reliefs are bigger and constructed differently.
What makes me believe that my motor will be right when I get it back from you again? I even bought a new head from honda Vince because I was getting a tick/pop that sounded like it was coming from the head. Well now I know it was my valves hitting the reliefs. The head cost me $1200, I think you owe me a little more than just fixing my engine!
</TD></TR></TABLE>Vince will help you if your willing to work with him, stop being an asshat. If your living paycheck to paycheck and dumping 8k into a motor thats your own problem for not having your priorities straight. It sucks that you motor was assembeled incorrectly, but actiong like an idiot on thes forum isnt going to get it fixed. Why shoud he pay for a new head that you bought and your"500" hours of time. Grow the **** up and try and deal with vince rationally and realize anyone else after 2 years would tell you to go fist yourself.
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Re: Huge thumbsdown to Golden Eagle MFG "MUST READ" details inside (JDogg)
Like I said I'm not an engine guru. My compression numbers were 230psi the day I first started the motor. Progressively got worse and I thought it was ring seal because I did a leakdown and the numbers jumped up, wonder why?
I'm not being an ***, and I shouldn't be the one to call and talk to the big dog it's on him to contact me it's his problem and he said he will take care of it. That is a blessing in my eyes honestly and I can't thank him enough!
You guys raggin on my need to lay off, I only posted this so I didn't get blamed for installing the pistons wrong when they were the ones that assembled the block!
The head is on it's way to my engine builder to have new valves put in and new guides because I'm sure the valves are sticking in the guides at this point. Who's paying for my valves and who's paying for the valve job all over again?
As a matter of fact I will be the bigger man and place the phone call but I've got to take a few hrs to calm down, you guys just don't know how I feel because this didn't happen to you so please disregard the way I went about this. I just felt it should be documented and I wanted to hear from GE they messed up on a public forum because there is no way I could ever afford to build another motor like this.
As far as not noticing the valves bent, and not noticing this a long time ago that is my fault but still doesn't give GE and justification on installing the pistons wrong!
I'm not being an ***, and I shouldn't be the one to call and talk to the big dog it's on him to contact me it's his problem and he said he will take care of it. That is a blessing in my eyes honestly and I can't thank him enough!
You guys raggin on my need to lay off, I only posted this so I didn't get blamed for installing the pistons wrong when they were the ones that assembled the block!
The head is on it's way to my engine builder to have new valves put in and new guides because I'm sure the valves are sticking in the guides at this point. Who's paying for my valves and who's paying for the valve job all over again?
As a matter of fact I will be the bigger man and place the phone call but I've got to take a few hrs to calm down, you guys just don't know how I feel because this didn't happen to you so please disregard the way I went about this. I just felt it should be documented and I wanted to hear from GE they messed up on a public forum because there is no way I could ever afford to build another motor like this.
As far as not noticing the valves bent, and not noticing this a long time ago that is my fault but still doesn't give GE and justification on installing the pistons wrong!
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Re: Huge thumbsdown to Golden Eagle MFG "MUST READ" details inside (shdriver99)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by shdriver99 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Like I said I'm not an engine guru. My compression numbers were 230psi the day I first started the motor. Progressively got worse and I thought it was ring seal because I did a leakdown and the numbers jumped up, wonder why?
I'm not being an ***, and I shouldn't be the one to call and talk to the big dog it's on him to contact me it's his problem and he said he will take care of it. That is a blessing in my eyes honestly and I can't thank him enough!
You guys raggin on my need to lay off, I only posted this so I didn't get blamed for installing the pistons wrong when they were the ones that assembled the block!
The head is on it's way to my engine builder to have new valves put in and new guides because I'm sure the valves are sticking in the guides at this point. Who's paying for my valves and who's paying for the valve job all over again?
As a matter of fact I will be the bigger man and place the phone call but I've got to take a few hrs to calm down, you guys just don't know how I feel because this didn't happen to you so please disregard the way I went about this. I just felt it should be documented and I wanted to hear from GE they messed up on a public forum because there is no way I could ever afford to build another motor like this.
As far as not noticing the valves bent, and not noticing this a long time ago that is my fault but still doesn't give GE and justification on installing the pistons wrong!</TD></TR></TABLE>
Agree to work with me and lets' get this thing fixed for you!!!
Agree to work with me!!!
Agree to work with me!!!
Agree to work with me!!!
Agree to work with me!!!
As soon as you agree, then I will have someone call you and get the ball rolling!
I'm not being an ***, and I shouldn't be the one to call and talk to the big dog it's on him to contact me it's his problem and he said he will take care of it. That is a blessing in my eyes honestly and I can't thank him enough!
You guys raggin on my need to lay off, I only posted this so I didn't get blamed for installing the pistons wrong when they were the ones that assembled the block!
The head is on it's way to my engine builder to have new valves put in and new guides because I'm sure the valves are sticking in the guides at this point. Who's paying for my valves and who's paying for the valve job all over again?
As a matter of fact I will be the bigger man and place the phone call but I've got to take a few hrs to calm down, you guys just don't know how I feel because this didn't happen to you so please disregard the way I went about this. I just felt it should be documented and I wanted to hear from GE they messed up on a public forum because there is no way I could ever afford to build another motor like this.
As far as not noticing the valves bent, and not noticing this a long time ago that is my fault but still doesn't give GE and justification on installing the pistons wrong!</TD></TR></TABLE>
Agree to work with me and lets' get this thing fixed for you!!!
Agree to work with me!!!
Agree to work with me!!!
Agree to work with me!!!
Agree to work with me!!!
As soon as you agree, then I will have someone call you and get the ball rolling!
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Re: Huge thumbsdown to Golden Eagle MFG "MUST READ" details inside (GoldenEagleMfg.com)
Trust me Vince I didn't disassemble anything on that block EVER. I'm working my way to calling you but that comment you just posted got me right back fired up again. You do not have to worry about the head because it is already been discussed with my head builder. He knows all about this and told me the valve job will be redone for free. The valves on the other hand aren't so that's one thing you can help me on! Just give me your direct contact # and I will call you. You can hate me all you want for doing this but I just wasn't going to get stuck with something I didn't cause!
As far as living paycheck to paycheck, my wifes nursing costs us 25 grand a year and it's out of our pocket. Not hard to figure out why we live like this eh! It'll all be good in a year anyways when she has her RN but none of that has anything to do with this other than that's why it was crunch time when I sent the block and head out to be built!
As far as living paycheck to paycheck, my wifes nursing costs us 25 grand a year and it's out of our pocket. Not hard to figure out why we live like this eh! It'll all be good in a year anyways when she has her RN but none of that has anything to do with this other than that's why it was crunch time when I sent the block and head out to be built!
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Re: Huge thumbsdown to Golden Eagle MFG "MUST READ" details inside (GoldenEagleMfg.com)
Agree'd vince but I don't think just fixing the block justifies what I've been through but I'll discuss that with you over the phone. I've asked for your direct # about 3 times now. Can you provide that for me?
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Re: Huge thumbsdown to Golden Eagle MFG "MUST READ" details inside (GoldenEagleMfg.com)
Also I don't want someone to call me I want to speak to you!
You said you'd take care of this, you will put the block together yourself, step up and do so please!
You said you'd take care of this, you will put the block together yourself, step up and do so please!
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Re: Huge thumbsdown to Golden Eagle MFG "MUST READ" details inside (PURPLETERROR)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PURPLETERROR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Vince will help you if your willing to work with him, stop being an asshat. If your living paycheck to paycheck and dumping 8k into a motor thats your own problem for not having your priorities straight. It sucks that you motor was assembeled incorrectly, but actiong like an idiot on thes forum isnt going to get it fixed. Why shoud he pay for a new head that you bought and your"500" hours of time. Grow the **** up and try and deal with vince rationally and realize anyone else after 2 years would tell you to go fist yourself.</TD></TR></TABLE>
If GE wasn't offering the help Vince has I would see the need to cry about this.
Vince will help you if your willing to work with him, stop being an asshat. If your living paycheck to paycheck and dumping 8k into a motor thats your own problem for not having your priorities straight. It sucks that you motor was assembeled incorrectly, but actiong like an idiot on thes forum isnt going to get it fixed. Why shoud he pay for a new head that you bought and your"500" hours of time. Grow the **** up and try and deal with vince rationally and realize anyone else after 2 years would tell you to go fist yourself.</TD></TR></TABLE>
If GE wasn't offering the help Vince has I would see the need to cry about this.
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Re: Huge thumbsdown to Golden Eagle MFG "MUST READ" details inside (GoldenEagleMfg.com)
As far as making sure the block wasn't fiddled with there you go vince. The day I became a proud owner of a GE block, pic was taken the same day it was shipped to my house. Pistons installed wrong all there is to it! Once again contact # directly to your desk please?
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Re: Huge thumbsdown to Golden Eagle MFG "MUST READ" details inside (skunked)
Honestly, you need to step up, whether your an engine guru or not...has nothing to do with it. The problem has been addressed, and you should contact Vince/GE. And what on earth are you talking about just fixing the motor isn't enough, you want him to pay for your wife's tution too...jeez! Doesn't make sense, but....
HUGE To vince, I can't wait till money arrives to me, and I can send my block to you vince...which actually I need to PM you about price...and such. But that's off subject. GL to both.
HUGE
To vince, I can't wait till money arrives to me, and I can send my block to you vince...which actually I need to PM you about price...and such. But that's off subject. GL to both.
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Re: Huge thumbsdown to Golden Eagle MFG "MUST READ" details inside (shdriver99)
just call him and work out the details, its better to get something then nothing fixed........i cant blame u for bieng mad or angry i am sure i would have been as well but at least he responded to ur emails and is tryin to help better then nada man good luck with that
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Re: Huge thumbsdown to Golden Eagle MFG "MUST READ" details inside (KlawzOfDeath)
I will be contacting him here in a few minutes. I agree to let GE have the opportunity to correct the situation.
No I'm not asking Vince to pay my wifes tuition guy, just explaining why we've had to live paycheck to paycheck the past year or so!
I'm not wanting reimbursed for the head, any of the head work but I do want reimbursed for my crower ss valves + titanium retainers, pistons, and any other damaged caused by this. If Vince has a problem with me sending my head back to the original place that I had the work done I'm sure my builder will voice his opinion and possibly even speak with Vince over the phone also!
**taking responsiblity to make the phone call so chill peeps, I've calmed myself down no more need for negative comments. I will not say another negative word on my behalf as long as I feel I'm getting what I deserve. I will keep people that are interested in knowing what happens informed with updates as soon as I have them!
No I'm not asking Vince to pay my wifes tuition guy, just explaining why we've had to live paycheck to paycheck the past year or so!
I'm not wanting reimbursed for the head, any of the head work but I do want reimbursed for my crower ss valves + titanium retainers, pistons, and any other damaged caused by this. If Vince has a problem with me sending my head back to the original place that I had the work done I'm sure my builder will voice his opinion and possibly even speak with Vince over the phone also!
**taking responsiblity to make the phone call so chill peeps, I've calmed myself down no more need for negative comments. I will not say another negative word on my behalf as long as I feel I'm getting what I deserve. I will keep people that are interested in knowing what happens informed with updates as soon as I have them!
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Just called and was told to hold. Asked for Vince and was told he's really busy. He took my name and contact number so the ball is in his court. I was told he's in a business meeting which is understandable but I sure hope to receive a call today. Can't put my life on hold waiting to get in touch!