well, i finally made it to Church's yesterday morning for a re-tune and i must say, i was impressed. theres alot of history that goes into this motor so ill start from the beginning.

it started as a b16a3 with your basic bolt-ons (i.e. aem intake, dc 4-2-1 header, shitty exhaust, JUN chip). After driving it for a few months, i had detonated two pistons. ring lands everywhere. dont ask me how this happened, but it did and i had to deal with it.

first rebuild--after deciding to rebuild the ENTIRE motor, i went with ctr pistons instead of stock b16 pistons. not realizing that the head was milled so much that you couldnt even tell it was a b16 head (the round edge was milled off: looked like a gsr head), i broke in that motor 1000 miles without tuning. i detonated those pistons at church's. before the mishap, it put down 146.

second re"build"--finally fed up, i went to jay smith at one and had him do everything for me. he gave me a set of skunk2 stage 1 cams, type-r intake manifold, cam gears, new pistons, new head, and hondata s100. had that tuned at church's, hit 167whp and about 120lbs of torque.

third re"build"--after milling the head about 20 thousanths, i put on a JDM 4-1 header, hondata intake manifold gasket, lightened flywheel, motor mounts, and an entire 2.5 in exhaust. since march, i have been planning this retune to give me about 190whp and about 125lbs of torque.

b16a3--186 whp and 133 ft. lbs as it runs right now after tuning--
shaun and todd are the ****.

40whp gain and 21 ft. lbs. of torque gain since i first bought this motor. not bad huh?

 

damn thats some good tq numbers for a b16

 

When you say "New Pistons" Did you go with the CTR's again or switch 2 something else..

Very impressed..

 

Wow! good power man what comp are you running? a little bit more info on your set-up would be nice. Good Job



Judd

 

i stuck with the civic type-r pistons...im running around 11.8-12:1 compression right now.

heres a complete list of the mods...

b16a3--civic type-r pistons, lightened and balanced crankshaft and rotating assembly, including flywheel. skunk2 stage 1 cams, AEM cam gears, type-r intake manifold, JDM DC 4-1 header and 2.5 in exhaust (straight pipe), hondata s100, hondata intake manifold gasket, motor mount kit, and an akimoto short ram intake.

 

Just a mill job on the new head?If so great motor.
133lbs for a b16 is

 

Damn, you made more torque than my 1847cc, nice. Although, the numbers aren't exactly comparable because i was dynojet, nonetheless, badass numbers.

 

how much more HP does Church's dyno read than a dynojet? i think i heard that it makes like 8 or 13% more HP than a dynojet? is that true?

 

man thats good for a b16

 

a dyna pack loses an average of 11~12% to the hubs vs 15% average to the wheels on the dyno jet

 

thanks...i tried my pretty damn hard for these numbers

 

good **** man
nice numbers

 

ill get the dyno sheet and some pics/videos up as soon as i can. its one thing to look at numbers on a piece of paper and another thing to actually see a car in action.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by anothersickhatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> the head was milled so much that you couldnt even tell it was a b16 head

after milling the head about 20 thousanths </TD></TR></TABLE>

Was this the same head milled another .020? What do you think the total amount milled off the head is?

Sounds like a strong engine, thanks for posting.

 

Oh, nevermind. I see the "new head" in rebuild #2.

 

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Was this the same head milled another .020? What do you think the total amount milled off the head is? </TD></TR></TABLE>

no, its a different head. it was only milled a total of .020. i got rid of that piece of **** head.

 

good #'s thats approx 155hp to the wheels on a dyno jet

 

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Ahhh, the truth comes out

 

wait wait dont get it twisted that is a strong b16 i wasnt putting anyone down , just through my own exper. dyno-pak VS. dyno-jetis between 15-20% (higher on the dynopak side) this has been debated on HT for quite some time now but that is my exper.

 

is that a consistent 15% to 20% from both dynos. isn't that a little high ? before I rebuilt my b16a2 i was at 144 whp with only a I/H/E. So that means with all the mods that I would do I would only net 12whp more on a dynojet?

 

YES CONSISTANT I HAVE BASELINED MANY CARS THAT WERE TUNED AT CHURCHES ON A DYNO PACK VS MY DYNOJET AND IT IS ALWAYS BETWEEN 15-20% LOWER ON MY DYNO

 

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good to know. when i 1st read this post i was like thats alot of HP and Tq for a B16 motor. i have tuned a few cars on a dynojet. i made around 185whp on a GSR with the same setup. so on a dynopack this roughly 210whp.

 

thats YOUR dyno jet though...not every dyno jet compared to a dyno-pak is going to be the same. i had this same motor tuned at prostreet, who uses a dyno jet as well, before the JDM type-r header, milled head, new exhaust, lightened flywheel, and hondata intake manifold gasket and it put down 159 whp. that right there proves that fact that your dyno puts out lower numbers than another dyno jet.

i was just at hook-ups the other day getting my car wired for vtec and chris told me that he had a b16 that put down 167 to that dyno and also told me that "167whp on this dyno is about 190 whp on churchs." that right there, AGAIN, proves that it all depends on different situations, i.e. temperature, humidity, altitude

 

your absolutely right there are so many factors that can alter a dyno's readins

 

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