search for tires on 16x7 wheel continues...
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search for tires on 16x7 wheel continues...
it's been 3 years since i got 16x7 wheels for my itr. and at the time many had warned me that it would be tough to find good tires, be it for the street or track. well, that statement has held true for the most part ever since.
i have the azenis rt215's (215/45/16) now and am about to get a new set of tires soon. does anyone have suggestions for tires? i'm basically stumped on what to get.
i've read some reviews on the new hankook r-s2 z212's and they seem pretty good.
the tires i've considered:
hankook r-s2 z212 215/45/16
yokohama es100 205/45/16
azenis rt215 215/45/16 (if you can ever find a set)
i'm aiming toward tires to be used for both street and track use.
thanks gang!
kepani
i have the azenis rt215's (215/45/16) now and am about to get a new set of tires soon. does anyone have suggestions for tires? i'm basically stumped on what to get.
i've read some reviews on the new hankook r-s2 z212's and they seem pretty good.
the tires i've considered:
hankook r-s2 z212 215/45/16
yokohama es100 205/45/16
azenis rt215 215/45/16 (if you can ever find a set)
i'm aiming toward tires to be used for both street and track use.
thanks gang!
kepani
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Re: search for tires on 16x7 wheel continues... (Bbasso)
yeah, they look nice and "rugged". 
lots of the reviews compare them to the azenis. but i haven't seen a review with them on track. i really would lean more toward something like the es100's if i weren't tracking. but i like the fact that they come in the perfect size (215/45/16). hmm...
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lots of the reviews compare them to the azenis. but i haven't seen a review with them on track. i really would lean more toward something like the es100's if i weren't tracking. but i like the fact that they come in the perfect size (215/45/16). hmm...kepani
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Re: search for tires on 16x7 wheel continues... (kepani)
grm (grassroots) had review on the hankook among other preformance tires. got good marks. price wise they are like the old azenis. i would get a set myshelf but i stocked up on the 215s.
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Re: search for tires on 16x7 wheel continues... (db8sirg)
just got back from reading gk's thread on the hankooks. they get good marks according to the tests. looks promising...
just to add another tire, i just realized that yokohama now markets their advan line in the us (http://www.yokohamatire.com/advan/). however, when you check ou the neova's, they don't seem to sell the "good sizes" here. damn!!!
anyway, just hoping to keep this thread open for any intriguing suggestions...
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just to add another tire, i just realized that yokohama now markets their advan line in the us (http://www.yokohamatire.com/advan/). however, when you check ou the neova's, they don't seem to sell the "good sizes" here. damn!!!
anyway, just hoping to keep this thread open for any intriguing suggestions...
k
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Re: search for tires on 16x7 wheel continues... (kepani)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kepani »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the tires i've considered:
hankook r-s2 z212 215/45/16
yokohama es100 205/45/16
azenis rt215 215/45/16 (if you can ever find a set)
i'm aiming toward tires to be used for both street and track use.</TD></TR></TABLE>
To me, the answer to this question is a "no brainer". Get the Z212.
The Z212 and the ES100 are two totally different kinds of tires.
The Z212 is a specialty tire in the same way as the Falken Azenis (both old and new). What I mean by that is, it's a super-sticky tire, designed to be partway in between a grippy street tire and an R compound track tire. Great grip on dry pavement is the big plus, fairly rapid wear is the big minus (although neither is as extreme as with a true R compound). Reasonable price is a bonus.
The ES100 is a budget performance tire. It offers decent performance for those who don't want to spend a whole lot of money on their tires. Dry grip is okay, wet grip is outstanding. It will last a long time (I've got 25K on the set on my GS-R and it looks like they've got another 8-10K) and they're inexpensive.
If someone has a daily driver and is willing to sacrifice a little performance for low cost and long life, the ES100 is a great choice. For someone who is mixing street use with track use, and really cares about performance more than anything else, the Z212 is the way to go.
(Another option, for those who have two sets of wheels, is to put the ES100 on one set for street use, and R compounds on the other for track use.)
hankook r-s2 z212 215/45/16
yokohama es100 205/45/16
azenis rt215 215/45/16 (if you can ever find a set)
i'm aiming toward tires to be used for both street and track use.</TD></TR></TABLE>
To me, the answer to this question is a "no brainer". Get the Z212.
The Z212 and the ES100 are two totally different kinds of tires.
The Z212 is a specialty tire in the same way as the Falken Azenis (both old and new). What I mean by that is, it's a super-sticky tire, designed to be partway in between a grippy street tire and an R compound track tire. Great grip on dry pavement is the big plus, fairly rapid wear is the big minus (although neither is as extreme as with a true R compound). Reasonable price is a bonus.
The ES100 is a budget performance tire. It offers decent performance for those who don't want to spend a whole lot of money on their tires. Dry grip is okay, wet grip is outstanding. It will last a long time (I've got 25K on the set on my GS-R and it looks like they've got another 8-10K) and they're inexpensive.
If someone has a daily driver and is willing to sacrifice a little performance for low cost and long life, the ES100 is a great choice. For someone who is mixing street use with track use, and really cares about performance more than anything else, the Z212 is the way to go.
(Another option, for those who have two sets of wheels, is to put the ES100 on one set for street use, and R compounds on the other for track use.)
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Re: search for tires on 16x7 wheel continues... (nsxtasy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
To me, the answer to this question is a "no brainer". Get the Z212.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Although I'm not the very biggest fan of the Z212, I'd agree with that comment.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by George Knighton from the other thread »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The sidewall of the Z212 is soft compared to most of the competition. This will cause you to want to put more air in it to stiffen it up a bit, but then the tire will not roll correctly and you will reduce overall grip in most situations.
The situation seems to call for just putting up with a squirmy feeling. The worst it was for me was in the bowl at Shenandoah. If you try to get through the bowl at about 55, there is an uncomfortable squishy squirmy feeling that might cause you to doubt that you're going to make it...but you will. I have an N1 suspension, so the carcass squirming probably became a focal point.
The other problem with the Z212 seems to be that Hankook over reacted to the criticism of the RT215's water channeling capabilities. The Z212 is so good at channeling water that there might be less rubber on the ground than there could be, lessening overall grip just because you're not putting as much rubber down as other tyres in the same size.
Having said all that, however, since the Z212 could be $20/ea cheaper than the same size RT615, I am sure they will sell tonnes of them to us.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The Hankook are just the best buy.
There's something I think I'd better comment about: DTD sent me the wrong size tyre for my car, and they never got back to me about correcting this before I had to use them on the track.
So I was on the track with 205-45-16 when I probably should've been using 215-45-16 or even bigger. It was a little too easy for my car to over power the tyres at Shenandoah, and it was also the first time I'd been on Shenandoah.
The Nurburgring duplicate bowl at Shenandoah exacerbates any problem you might have with the soft sidewalls, and I'd venture to guess that the bowl at Shenandoah is probably just about <u>the</u> worst situation for the Z212 that you could imagine.
The Z212 also did well holding their own in that short space where you get airborne in that hop after the bridge at Shenandoah.
Since my initial comments from Shenandoah, I have been on Summit Main in both the rain and the dry with the Z212.
In the rain, I was passing cars that should have been much, much faster than I was, and I feel that using the street compound Z212 was a clear advantage.
In the dry, although I did not actually get any lap times, I did notice that I was still hitting around 138 before braking for Turn 1. That would indicate that the tyres gripped very well through Turn 10, and I would not have been able to get up to that speed if I didn't feel very confident in Turn 10.
Turn 4 and the chute to Turn 5 were a slightly different story, and here I feel that the sidewalls were a little too squirmy. The turn in at 4 was OK, initially, but by the time I'd bounced off the gater on the right I wasn't feeling as confident. Terminal speed before the severe braking for Turn 5 was about 90, and I have seen as much as 110 at that point with RA1 that were at their maximum grippiness.
I think that if they hadn't paid quite so much attention to water channeling, that there might be enough rubber on the road to make up for the squirmy sidewall.
But whatever...if you're after a street tyre there really just isn't anything better right now, for the money.
And remember that anything I say that sounds critical might have been mitigated somewhat if I'd been on 215's or 225's instead of the 205's.
To me, the answer to this question is a "no brainer". Get the Z212.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Although I'm not the very biggest fan of the Z212, I'd agree with that comment.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by George Knighton from the other thread »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The sidewall of the Z212 is soft compared to most of the competition. This will cause you to want to put more air in it to stiffen it up a bit, but then the tire will not roll correctly and you will reduce overall grip in most situations.
The situation seems to call for just putting up with a squirmy feeling. The worst it was for me was in the bowl at Shenandoah. If you try to get through the bowl at about 55, there is an uncomfortable squishy squirmy feeling that might cause you to doubt that you're going to make it...but you will. I have an N1 suspension, so the carcass squirming probably became a focal point.
The other problem with the Z212 seems to be that Hankook over reacted to the criticism of the RT215's water channeling capabilities. The Z212 is so good at channeling water that there might be less rubber on the ground than there could be, lessening overall grip just because you're not putting as much rubber down as other tyres in the same size.
Having said all that, however, since the Z212 could be $20/ea cheaper than the same size RT615, I am sure they will sell tonnes of them to us.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The Hankook are just the best buy.
There's something I think I'd better comment about: DTD sent me the wrong size tyre for my car, and they never got back to me about correcting this before I had to use them on the track.
So I was on the track with 205-45-16 when I probably should've been using 215-45-16 or even bigger. It was a little too easy for my car to over power the tyres at Shenandoah, and it was also the first time I'd been on Shenandoah.
The Nurburgring duplicate bowl at Shenandoah exacerbates any problem you might have with the soft sidewalls, and I'd venture to guess that the bowl at Shenandoah is probably just about <u>the</u> worst situation for the Z212 that you could imagine.
The Z212 also did well holding their own in that short space where you get airborne in that hop after the bridge at Shenandoah.
Since my initial comments from Shenandoah, I have been on Summit Main in both the rain and the dry with the Z212.
In the rain, I was passing cars that should have been much, much faster than I was, and I feel that using the street compound Z212 was a clear advantage.
In the dry, although I did not actually get any lap times, I did notice that I was still hitting around 138 before braking for Turn 1. That would indicate that the tyres gripped very well through Turn 10, and I would not have been able to get up to that speed if I didn't feel very confident in Turn 10.
Turn 4 and the chute to Turn 5 were a slightly different story, and here I feel that the sidewalls were a little too squirmy. The turn in at 4 was OK, initially, but by the time I'd bounced off the gater on the right I wasn't feeling as confident. Terminal speed before the severe braking for Turn 5 was about 90, and I have seen as much as 110 at that point with RA1 that were at their maximum grippiness.
I think that if they hadn't paid quite so much attention to water channeling, that there might be enough rubber on the road to make up for the squirmy sidewall.
But whatever...if you're after a street tyre there really just isn't anything better right now, for the money.
And remember that anything I say that sounds critical might have been mitigated somewhat if I'd been on 215's or 225's instead of the 205's.
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Re: search for tires on 16x7 wheel continues... (kepani)
Jay, PM me...
i have a set of slightly used (500 miles) advan neova ad07 in 205/45/16 that i may sell
i have a set of slightly used (500 miles) advan neova ad07 in 205/45/16 that i may sell
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Re: search for tires on 16x7 wheel continues... (typer_801)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by typer_801 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">fyi...215/45/16 Azenis RT-615 should be released this quarter. It's another option if you can wait for a little while.</TD></TR></TABLE>
That corrects a big oversight on Falken's part.
That corrects a big oversight on Falken's part.
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Re: search for tires on 16x7 wheel continues... (typer_801)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by typer_801 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">fyi...215/45/16 Azenis RT-615 should be released this quarter. It's another option if you can wait for a little while.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Their late release of that size has cost them my business (at least for this year). I ended up going with the Hankook Z212, and am very happy with them.
Their late release of that size has cost them my business (at least for this year). I ended up going with the Hankook Z212, and am very happy with them.
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Re: search for tires on 16x7 wheel continues... (Mugen Mike)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mugen Mike »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I ended up going with the Hankook Z212, and am very happy with them. </TD></TR></TABLE>
same here after much reviewing and finally deciding this was the way to go... i am definately not dissapointed. coming from my neogens these things are like super glue. dunno if that's saying much, but i will tell u that of those who have driven my car, fell like it grips the best. they seem just fine when they get hot too (or @ high speeds)... then again i've never gotten them on a track. definately a good tire IMO.
i'll try to get pics of my 205/45 on my flat black C10's
</TD></TR></TABLE>same here after much reviewing and finally deciding this was the way to go... i am definately not dissapointed. coming from my neogens these things are like super glue. dunno if that's saying much, but i will tell u that of those who have driven my car, fell like it grips the best. they seem just fine when they get hot too (or @ high speeds)... then again i've never gotten them on a track. definately a good tire IMO.
i'll try to get pics of my 205/45 on my flat black C10's
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Re: search for tires on 16x7 wheel continues... (kepani)
I chose 15's due to the tire selection. I went with the Toyo T1-R's. Heard they were good in the rain and good for the street. Basically one notch up from the T1-S. Unfortunately my rims haven't arrived yet and the tires are just sitting so I don't have a personal experience report.
I had a hard time finding a 205/45R16 tire that I liked.
I had a hard time finding a 205/45R16 tire that I liked.
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I would go with the Z212. I have them right now and love the dry grip so far. Now that it's starting to rain we'll see how they handle that The price is great on them as well.
Difference is though, that I have them in 225/45/17
The price is great on them as well. Difference is though, that I have them in 225/45/17
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Re: search for tires on 16x7 wheel continues... (kepani)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nholmes »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hankook Ventus R-S2 Z212
$356 a set.
http://www.discounttiredirect....ar=45</TD></TR></TABLE>
$356 a set.
http://www.discounttiredirect....ar=45</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Re: search for tires on 16x7 wheel continues... (nholmes)
Michelin Exalto PE2 205/45 16 215/40 16 < $150 per tire
review http://vtec.net/articles/view-...79292
review http://vtec.net/articles/view-...79292
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by P Nut »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">RE010's not in the mix?</TD></TR></TABLE>
The 16" RE010 (215/45-16) is designed specifically to be used on the front of the '94-01 NSX. The belts are designed with a built-in bias to work with the NSX alignment (you have to buy a "left front tire" or a "right front tire") and the compound is different for the front 16" size from the rear 17" size.
I think the 215/45-16 RE010 that is available in Japan for the JDM 16" wheels is symmetric and is different from the two asymmetric 215/45-16 RE010 tires (left tire and right tire) that are available (there and here) for the NSX.
The 16" RE010 (215/45-16) is designed specifically to be used on the front of the '94-01 NSX. The belts are designed with a built-in bias to work with the NSX alignment (you have to buy a "left front tire" or a "right front tire") and the compound is different for the front 16" size from the rear 17" size.
I think the 215/45-16 RE010 that is available in Japan for the JDM 16" wheels is symmetric and is different from the two asymmetric 215/45-16 RE010 tires (left tire and right tire) that are available (there and here) for the NSX.
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The outer diameter of the 40 aspect ratio is pretty small (2.9 percent smaller than stock). You're better off sticking with the 205/45 (0.8 percent smaller) or 215/45 (0.7 percent larger).
If you don't want to get the Z212 or the Azenis - like if you use your car for daily driving and you want a tire that will last longer - there aren't many other decent tires in 215/45-16, with the exception of the Dunlop Direzza DZ101 ($108), which is a very good budget performance tire (similar to the Yokohama ES100). If you go to 205/45-16, though, there are some excellent tires available, including the Goodyear F1 GS-D3 (arguably the best all-around street tire on the market today, with the highest user ratings on the Tire Rack website of all 23 top-of-the-line tires) with a kick-*** $75 gas card through October 8 that lowers its effective price to $109 per tire which is a hell of a deal, as well as budget performance tires like the Avon Tech M500 ($83), Fuzion ZRi ($74), General Exclaim UHP ($55), Kumho ECSTA SPT ($77), and Yokohama AVS ES100 ($82).
The outer diameter of the 40 aspect ratio is pretty small (2.9 percent smaller than stock). You're better off sticking with the 205/45 (0.8 percent smaller) or 215/45 (0.7 percent larger).
If you don't want to get the Z212 or the Azenis - like if you use your car for daily driving and you want a tire that will last longer - there aren't many other decent tires in 215/45-16, with the exception of the Dunlop Direzza DZ101 ($108), which is a very good budget performance tire (similar to the Yokohama ES100). If you go to 205/45-16, though, there are some excellent tires available, including the Goodyear F1 GS-D3 (arguably the best all-around street tire on the market today, with the highest user ratings on the Tire Rack website of all 23 top-of-the-line tires) with a kick-*** $75 gas card through October 8 that lowers its effective price to $109 per tire which is a hell of a deal, as well as budget performance tires like the Avon Tech M500 ($83), Fuzion ZRi ($74), General Exclaim UHP ($55), Kumho ECSTA SPT ($77), and Yokohama AVS ES100 ($82).
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