kind of long.........

well i bought the car with a blown head gasket. got it clean shaved and checked. all back together now w/ all OEM honda parts. i bought head gasket, intake and exhuast gasket, valve cover gasket, spark plugs and gasket. i work at a dealership and i has everything check over w/ the head gasket a ok. well when i went to crank it still wont crank. i have spark, and fuel. it just doesnt seem like i am getting enough spark. i have check all my grounds and all of my fuses. any ideas on what i can do. thanks in advance

 

make sure everything is at tdc
make sure that ur timing is set correctly
make sure that the thermostat ground is making clean contact..not loose or corroded...
i dont understand what u mean by its not getting enough spark

 

well also this is another thing, when my motor is at TDC the cam is one tooth off one way and then my car is one tooth off another. any ideas?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kleanlscivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well also this is another thing, when my motor is at TDC the cam is one tooth off one way and then my car is one tooth off another. any ideas? </TD></TR></TABLE>u need to take off ur timing belt and fix ur cam timing..after that ur car should run fine

 

i set the cam at tdc but when the car is at TDC it is different, even if the timing if off a tooth shouldnt it still start and run that ****?

 

did you remove the entire exhaust, when my headgasket went i had like 2 gallons of coolant in my exhaust, the exhaust couldnt get out i needed to drain it

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Crx Jimmy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">did you remove the entire exhaust, when my headgasket went i had like 2 gallons of coolant in my exhaust, the exhaust couldnt get out i needed to drain it</TD></TR></TABLE>

yea, i took it off b/c i am planning to get a new cat back soon

any ideas?

 

u shouldnt be off at all...first make sure piston #1 and 4 are at tdc...then set ur cam timing correctly...ur car is notm workin cuz ur probably ****** with it too much and dont know what ur doin

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Suck my DX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">u shouldnt be off at all...first make sure piston #1 and 4 are at tdc...then set ur cam timing correctly...ur car is notm workin cuz ur probably ****** with it too much and dont know what ur doin</TD></TR></TABLE>

not really there buddy i did the swap in my car and i set the timing and all and guess what runs perfect. and also even if i didn't know i have ASE certified technicans here jackass. again, thanks for tryin tho

 

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not really there buddy i did the swap in my car and i set the timing and all and guess what runs perfect. and also even if i didn't know i have ASE certified technicans here jackass. again, thanks for tryin tho </TD></TR></TABLE>
whatever man...if u have a certified mechanic there and he cant even figure out how to set the cam timing correctly he shouldnt have even graduated...
if it runs perfect then what the hell is ur problem

 

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whatever man...if u have a certified mechanic there and he cant even figure out how to set the cam timing correctly he shouldnt have even graduated...
if it runs perfect then what the hell is ur problem </TD></TR></TABLE>

ur dumb i am talkin about my 99 civic w/ the ls swap. i am wondering on my crx if maybe i have a bent rod, b/c when u put the screwdriver in the #1 cylinder when it is at TDC it is 2 teeth off. thats what i am talkin about jackass, please dont post in here anymore

 

ok lets read everything u have posted...and show me how i am an idiot and not you
so i saidthen u saidand i told youthen u said
by this point i was getting weary u didnt know what u were talking about
so u got all butthurt and started sayinwhich is weird cuz if u swapped in a motor and did the timing urself, and now have no clue how to set the cam timing, it makes me believe u dont know what the hell ur doing...so i said by this point i am so confused...and thats when u pull this out of ur ***when did u ever say 99 civic w/swap?
and now this..u give us sum half *** info that doesnt make any sense, and cry about it when u get an answer u dont wanna hear.u dont have a bent rod ur cam is just off...if u did the cam timing right the first time when i told u that it was ur problem then u would be worry free and ur car would be running...but since u just wanna sit here and argue with me about stuff u have no idea about...im gonna make u look stupid

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Suck my DX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
and now this..u give us sum half *** info that doesnt make any sense, and cry about it when u get an answer u dont wanna hear.u dont have a bent rod ur cam is just off...if u did the cam timing right the first time when i told u that it was ur problem then u would be worry free and ur car would be running...but since u just wanna sit here and argue with me about stuff u have no idea about...im gonna make u look stupid

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And know im gunna make you look stupid...the car should still start if its off a tooth...my motor skipped 2 and it ran like ****...but still started and ran decently.......Check your firing order and then check your distributor......you my be getting spark but not at the right time.....also make shure your dizzy aint in 180 degrees off SUCKMYDX

 

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And know im gunna make you look stupid... SUCKMYDX </TD></TR></TABLE>i know you know how to spell NOW....
you guys should start a suck my dx haters fan club....
seein how u bitch about everythin i say crix351c
its nice that you encourage him that it is ok to leave his cars timing off...
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my motor skipped 2 and it ran like ****...but still started and ran decently....... </TD></TR></TABLE>
im not here to make enemies but look at what you just said..ur words not mine

 

ok let me try to explain what i am talking about, you know how you put the screwdriver in the number one cylinder and when it pushes the screwdriver all the way up to TDC? well when it is there the crank is still a couple of teeth off. when i put the crank where it says it should be it was lowered the screwdriver. i was talkin about my car that is in my sig. every honda i have every had if it is a tooth off or two it will still run but just like ****. you get what i am saying now?

 

i dont see why all the hate was put on DX he tried more than anyone in this thread to help you...

if your car ran before you took the belt etc off, then most likely your timing is off, your saying the cams is a tooth off, your saying your crank is a couple teeth off, take the belt off, take the valve cover off, stick 2 screw drivers in the holes to lock the cams align them, then align the crank, if its a tooth off, then take it back off and do it again... also make sure your plugs are on your dizzy correctly ive seen people get them all swithced up, usually causing backfire out of the intake etc. but its definatly somehting to check, explain to us a little more, about what it sounds like while its trying to turn over...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rolledthatho &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i dont see why all the hate was put on DX he tried more than anyone in this thread to help you...

if your car ran before you took the belt etc off, then most likely your timing is off, your saying the cams is a tooth off, your saying your crank is a couple teeth off, take the belt off, take the valve cover off, stick 2 screw drivers in the holes to lock the cams align them, then align the crank, if its a tooth off, then take it back off and do it again... also make sure your plugs are on your dizzy correctly ive seen people get them all swithced up, usually causing backfire out of the intake etc. but its definatly somehting to check, explain to us a little more, about what it sounds like while its trying to turn over...

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i am not tryin to be a dick to him it just telling me to do the same thing i have already done. it didnt run when i bought it. it had a blown headgasket. i have the crank set at TDC but the actuall mark on the crank pully says its off but when i the crank on the mark the screwdriver goes down so there for its not at TDC. when i try to crank it it trys to turn over but it just wont catch. i have compression, spark and fuel but just wont start. i have check the firing order. done the timing, and also set the dizzy how the book says.

 

ok, it wouldnt crank when you bought it with a blown head gasket? it has to have something more wrong with it, because no matter how blow the head gasket was the car should crank... so:

are you sure your reading the TDC mark and not one of the advancement marks, i saw you said that once you have the crank on tdc the number 1 piston is NOT all the way up, which mark are you usuing for TDC...

now that you have said it wont crank AND wouldnt crank when you got it, it leads me to believe there was more to it than a head gasket, check your relay and clutch saftey switch

 

also for right now, dont worry about your number one piston, if your cars timing belt is OK, then you should be timing it by the teeth and marks, the screw driver/#1piston is just a trick for people who need to find tdc once everything is apart. or for people who didnt put it at tdc, before they started tearing it down

 

yea but if it was that switch it would even try to turn over, b/c it wouldnt be reading the clutch right?


Modified by kleanlscivic at 3:55 PM 9/20/2005

 

Couple things, a few have already been said.

The engine will start and run if you are off a tooth in either way.
If you had the head or deck machined then this might account for the timing be be slightly off. Or if you used a new metal head gasket. but either way its not gonna keep it from starting.

Anyways, I've heard of people puting their distributer on 180 degrees off. Its pretty hard to do since it should only go in one way but I would look at that.

Even more simple, do you hear the fuel pump prime when you first turn the key?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vegaskurt &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Couple things, a few have already been said.

The engine will start and run if you are off a tooth in either way.
If you had the head or deck machined then this might account for the timing be be slightly off. Or if you used a new metal head gasket. but either way its not gonna keep it from starting.

Anyways, I've heard of people puting their distributer on 180 degrees off. Its pretty hard to do since it should only go in one way but I would look at that.

Even more simple, do you hear the fuel pump prime when you first turn the key?</TD></TR></TABLE>

no the engine will not start at all just try to turn over. yea the fuel pump primes when u turn it on. i pulled the carpet down also and the ecu is working. i have check the dizzy and it is fine

 

see if you can get your hands on another dizzy, just so you can at least rule that component out.