I have searched through hundreds of posts and here is the set up I will most likely have.

<U>LS Block</U>
Micropolished crank
might ballance the crank but its pretty good from factory
GSR water and oil pumps
GSR timing belt
has .25 OB with ctr pistons
ARP rod bolts and head studs

<U>2000 B16 Head</U>
B18c cams
B16 Intake and Exhaust manifolds

<U>ECU</U>
Right now im on a pr3 obd0 i beleive due to the 2 plug ins
Want to get a chipped p28 from phearable.net

I will be getting the GE LSVTEC kit
Will be getting new gaskets
Right now i cant afford a hondata so I thinkg that the chipped p28 should be good for a while.

So here are my questions. I cant get a hold of high enough octain to run on the CTR pistons and i dont have enough money to tune it so it could take 92 without potential detination. Would i be able to put the PR3 or P30 pistions on the shaved rods? Or should i just get new rods all together. Is the chipped p28 an ok set up or is there something else i should be looking at? And is there anything wrong with that set up? I wont be using the gsr girdle, I hear that it is just a little extra insurance. I will only be reving it to 8000 or so. Im trying not to cut any corners at all and i want to do this right. Thanks


Modified by jakscivic at 4:18 PM 9/14/2005

 

timing.


retard ur timing to compensate for that compression

 

how would i be able to do that? through the distributer? is it possible to keep the ctr's without haveing to go get it prof. tuned? If so then i guess i can try it, i just dont want to keep the ctr's and not be able to run the car and have to tear it all down again.

 

Dear LORD, please list the problems and then list the questions instead of making a huge paragraph of nonsense that takes the reader forever to try to understand what you're asking.

1. You can run that compression fine on 91 octane as long as it's TUNED correctly
2. You say you want it done right and not cut corners, but you don't want to get the gsr girdle because you have no money?
3. You should get a P28/72 with either Neptune or Hondata for optimal results.
4. You can use the stock intake and exhaust manifolds, but I would reccomend waiting till you have it all done at once then drop the engine in.
5. You'll have more luck in the All Motor forum also.

 

sorry i didnt sort it out. Ive just heard that the girdle doesnt do a lot. Im only going to be reving it to about 8 or 82. Not going to be going to 9g. So i dont think the girdle is nessisary. and getting it tuned isnt an option quite yet, i would need to save up some money. So the ctr's arent an option for me. The cr would be nice if i had the octain and if i could get it tuned right away but i cant.

 

ttt

 

I got a GE 81MM LSVTEC kit. PM me if you're interested

 

the girdle by far helps support and maintain those 8k rpms...ofcourse you strengthend the rod bolts but why not get the girdle...and if you want to know you dont have to use the gsr girlde like jowee 1162 said z10, erl, and the likes makes the girdles for the ls block to fit perfectly with the use of some gsr parts such as windage tray...(correct me if i'm wrong)...just me .02 c

 

who makes the girdles? So since no one really knows if the p30 pistons will fit on the shaved rods I guess i am going to have to stick with the ctr's and just get a hondata and postpone my swap for a while until i can afford the hondata. Which hondata is the best one, s100 s200 or s300? Oh yeah and i would need an over sized head gasket, the bore is 81.25, thanks any way huepowered.

 

ttt

 

there's really no "best one"...but hondata's newest machine is the s300...get that one...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hawjboi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">there's really no "best one"...but hondata's newest machine is the s300...get that one...</TD></TR></TABLE> ya its good...but if ur tight on money, get s200...its real good...esp since ur going NA...295...compared to i think i seen the s300 run from 400-600....i have s200, its perfect..

 

you could run a chipped p28 and run chrome, uberdata, or neptune....

or hondata if you have a tuner nearby...

you really need to get it tuned to run right...run whatever has the best tuner near you..

 

i have heard of uberdata, chrome, and neptune before but i havent come across where to buy it at. Do you guys know of the places that sell that? When rods get shaved to fit the ctr pistons how do they get shaved? Thanks a lot for all the help so far you guys rock!

 

ttt, need some help

 

any more?

 

machine shop for rod shaving and you can find someone here who will sell you an ecu thats socketed for one of the above programs...

 

z10, function7, and honda all make girdles for the b-series. they ain't cheap though. and i hear you are supposed to get everything checked afterwards for roundness/alignment.
i'm doing the same build, and i'm gathering stuff slowly.

 

No i was just wondering what was required to shave the rods. Like what does the machine shop do to them. Because Im trying to find out if the p30 pistons would be able to fit and work on the rods that have been shaved for the ctr pistons.

 

You should just buy new LS rods and use the P30 pistons, they are much lighter than the CTR's and you dont have to worry about your super high compression the CTR's are going to give you. I am using p30's in my build, and my friend did the same in his and it kicked *** till the threw a rod

 

yeah, thats actually exactly what i was planning on doing. I hear good things about the pr3's and the p30's but more people seem to like the p30's. I am also probably going to get oem ls rods or forged. Not too sure on that one. and of course arp rod bolts.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jakscivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah, thats actually exactly what i was planning on doing. I hear good things about the pr3's and the p30's but more people seem to like the p30's. I am also probably going to get oem ls rods or forged. Not too sure on that one. and of course arp rod bolts.</TD></TR></TABLE>

good idea, if you are trying to get more compression go with the p30's because they have a higher dome than the PR3's, and if you arent reving its past 8500 LS rods should still be good, but get sfter market ones if you are gonna go be reving the **** out of it constantly

 

im not going to rev the hell out of it at all. 8200 is as high as im going to take it. Past that i dont think i would be making any power. I dont get why people rev to 9000 with stock internals. I am probably going to get forged rods for good reliability.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jakscivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im not going to rev the hell out of it at all. 8200 is as high as im going to take it. Past that i dont think i would be making any power. I dont get why people rev to 9000 with stock internals. I am probably going to get forged rods for good reliability. </TD></TR></TABLE>
some people can make power up really high, but most dont, they just do it to do it haha, forged rods shouldnt be necessary for your RPM range but better safe than sorry i suppose

 

90% of the lsvtecs out there dont have girdles
you really dont need it
i dont have one on mine and i'm at 11k miles with 198whp and 151 tq and i rev it to 8k countless time everyday