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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 08:59 PM
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When you want to decrease your speed and stop the car, which is better method to use?? Shift down or simply turn the gear on to the neutral and apply break. So far, half of my friend prefered me to do the shift down method and other half told me that neutral method is better. Can somebody tell me and specificly explain please?? My car is honda civic 93. Thank you.

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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 09:04 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Senses Fail y0! &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sure, if you're going about 90ish in third, shift down to first for faster braking </TD></TR></TABLE>

lol.
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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 09:06 PM
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Default Re: shift down vs. neutral (Senses Fail y0!)

This is a great example of what everyone's first post should look like. Such an indepth and profound question that seems to not have an answer that would even come close to answering such a question.


On another note, just leave the car in the gear you are in, just don't push the clutch in until your rpm's are nearing 1k. Unless, of course, you are in 5th, then a down shift (not shift down) into 4th is highly reccomended.
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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 09:06 PM
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I'm not sure how telling us your car should matter, but anyways...

You could hit neutral right away when you know you're coming to a stop, but you don't get engine brake and it uses slightly more gas since the engine is now at idle. Also, if you need to take off right away, you're going to have to go back into gear. In my opinion, not the method to use.

The other choice(s) is to keep the car in gear while braking until the very last moment. I personally find that I don't need to downshift to come to stop, although I do it every once in a while. Most of the time I find it's good enough to just start braking in gear and pop it into neutral once your RPM is below 1k. Also while you're doing this, you're not using any gas.

I'm not an expert so if anyone spots wrong information, feel free to correct me.

But uh, your friend needs to get his halves together. Half a friend...that's just weird.
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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 09:08 PM
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Default Re: shift down vs. neutral (WongFeihung)

downshifting = longer brake use.....just down shift the right way
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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 09:17 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sicky &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is a great example of what everyone's first post should look like. Such an indepth and profound question that seems to not have an answer that would even come close to answering such a question.


On another note, just leave the car in the gear you are in, just don't push the clutch in until your rpm's are nearing 1k. Unless, of course, you are in 5th, then a down shift (not shift down) into 4th is highly reccomended.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Oh crap, so you mean when I come up to a stop in 4th gear and I put in the clutch and brake to a stop and then shift back to 1st, that isn't good.
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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 09:18 PM
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Just hit the brakes.
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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 09:22 PM
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Well whats it do if you continue to hold in the clutch when you brake? Will that screw up the clutch later on... or is just poor driving?
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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 09:25 PM
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u should down shift each gear slowly one by one untill u are in first....that is safe on the engine and it saves brakes
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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 09:26 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Busta0990 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well whats it do if you continue to hold in the clutch when you brake? Will that screw up the clutch later on... or is just poor driving?</TD></TR></TABLE>

no.
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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 09:27 PM
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i rather let the brakes wear down faster then the motor

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by redpeppers &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">u should down shift each gear slowly one by one untill u are in first....that is safe on the engine and it saves brakes</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 09:29 PM
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as you can tell.... everyone has their own opinion on what is best. what you need to do is just decide for yourself. i personally go either way.... but if i remember, i just leave in gear and brake, then take out of gear as i near 1 or 2k. i believe it to be easier to replace brake pads and get the rotors resurfaced, then to pull the tranny to wither rebuild or replace the clutch. i'm going with replacing pads instead.

like i said, everyone has their own opinion, and you just need to form your own on the subject b/c you are the one that has to deal with either clutch/tranny or brake pads/rotor. good luck.
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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 09:36 PM
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uhhhh.....if ur engine wears down....it is not from down shifting during stops.....u must downshidt the right way
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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 09:38 PM
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Well yeah, but it doesn't really matter when you put the clutch in, since it disengages the transmission from the engine, so all you would screw up is the transmission and not your engine.
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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 09:47 PM
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edited.....

posted before i read all the way through..... my bad
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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 10:00 PM
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i personally use neutral .. mean reason save gas.... like let the car roll in the speed they have ...
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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 10:14 PM
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Default Re: shift down vs. neutral (sicky)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sicky &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is a great example of what everyone's first post should look like. Such an indepth and profound question that seems to not have an answer that would even come close to answering such a question.

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LMFAO, thats badass! Well Put!

FYI remember downshifting comsumes more gas than going into neutral and braking. HOwever you loose the ability to do evasive manuvers if put into a threating situation, such as gasing it to swerve a car/person.

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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 10:32 PM
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be careful when you downshift in the winter... learn how to rev match or you might end up in a ditch

best way is to use your best judgement for whatever circumstance you're in... learn all possible ways and use whatever works for you
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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 10:37 PM
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it matters what to do. i did like 70 on a turn and down shifted.. that was bad because all the power went to the front and my rear started slipping

oh the joy
wait this is off topic.... " just brake "
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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 10:51 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bbcnet &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i personally use neutral .. mean reason save gas.... like let the car roll in the speed they have ...</TD></TR></TABLE>

hmmm im sorry to burst your bubble but putting it in neutral actually uses more gas than down shifting. actually downshifting uses no gas at all. when you lift off the throttle the injectors shut off and your forward momentum from the wheels touching the ground keeps your crankshaft spinning. disengaging the clutch means theres no connection between the road and the engine so your engine has to burn gas to keep it running.
eX: have you ever come to a stop with the car still in gear? what does it do? it turns off Right?
...do you get it nOw?
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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 10:54 PM
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Leave it in gear so that the weight of the car is transmitted to the wheels, which helps you slow down faster. And plus, what would you like to replace more often? Brakes or clutch? Just pick one and answer your question.
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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 10:56 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by unnko &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">When you want to decrease your speed and stop the car, which is better method to use?? Shift down or simply turn the gear on to the neutral and apply break. So far, half of my friend prefered me to do the shift down method and other half told me that neutral method is better. Can somebody tell me and specificly explain please?? My car is honda civic 93. Thank you. </TD></TR></TABLE>

This is a funny topic................... anyways I'd say neutral and brake.

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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 11:00 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vc &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

This is a funny topic................... anyways I'd say neutral and brake.

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If you want to replace brakes more often than reccomended

To each its own...
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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 11:24 PM
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i usually jus coast in the gear im in while breaking if im in 4th ill coast while applyign the break softly when my rpms get low enough i put it past neutral then shift down into second and i always time it right cus i jus know the sound and the feel of my rpms and speed so my car never bucks always a smooth shift and if it goes green i jus give it a bit of gas

id say combination of downshifting and break softly is very good as long as you rev match the speed of ur engines with ur downshifts and softly break your car will be running great, remember cars are meant ot be driven you have a manual tranny its meant to downshift....
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Old Sep 14, 2005 | 01:18 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by M2nR22 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hmmm im sorry to burst your bubble but putting it in neutral actually uses more gas than down shifting. actually downshifting uses no gas at all. when you lift off the throttle the injectors shut off and your forward momentum from the wheels touching the ground keeps your crankshaft spinning. disengaging the clutch means theres no connection between the road and the engine so your engine has to burn gas to keep it running.
eX: have you ever come to a stop with the car still in gear? what does it do? it turns off Right?
...do you get it nOw? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Thanks. Was gonna address that issue too. You got it under control though.
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