alright guys topic basicaly explains all..what would you choose?...and anyone from experience how much power increas have you gotten?

 

totally depends on motor. and i assume you mean skunk2 stage1. tell h-t what motor the cams will be for and h-t will help you.

 

Ive got the CTR cams now, but i have seen people getting more power on skunk2 if u spend some $ on tuning. With the CTR cams, i would say more reliable since its stock and guaranteed to gain some power over gsr cams. Id say for $ to $ upgrade, u can't go wrong with CTR cams.

For skunk2, i know they are known to gain power over CTR cams, but as far as reliability is concern, i dont know because id never had one before...i pretty sure they are just as reliable as the CTR cams...

 

SKunk2 is a larger profile cam then both ITR and CTR cams, i had those cams in my car and they had great power gains, and when vtec cracked oh my god!! if u are intrested in the cams let me know, i still have them they only have 6k milies on them, have orginal boxes, carb sticker! so hit me up. I went turbo that is why i am not using them. and i was running with stock valve train as well had no issues at all!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gssr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and i was running with stock valve train as well had no issues at all!</TD></TR></TABLE>
keep in mind that both the ITR/CTR cams AND the Skunk2 Stage1 come recommended with a new valvetrain. standard B16 or GSR intake side dual valve springs on the exhaust side should clear you, but of course, that's not the professional recommendation.

 

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keep in mind that both the ITR/CTR cams AND the Skunk2 Stage1 come recommended with a new valvetrain. standard B16 or GSR intake side dual valve springs on the exhaust side should clear you, but of course, that's not the professional recommendation.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I would at least hit up some ITR valvetrain if at all possible...

 

No the Type R valvetrain is not recommended for the skunk2 cams...if you are not working with OEM parts then dont use OEM parts with it. Anything other than CTR or ITR cams you should go with aftermarket springs retainers and valves

 

don't use ITR valve springs unless you're using ITR valves. ITR valve springs are actually LESS stiff than GSR/B16 valve springs because the ITR valves are lighter. GSR/B16 valve springs on GSR/B16 valves will be stiffer than ITR springs on GSR/B16 valves

 

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I totally agree with this, but ive always get confused that so many people here at HT are using ITR valvetrain(springs and retainers) for their skunk2 cams. Its not recommended, but i havent heard anybody yet who had an issue with the set-up.

 

honestly the stock springs and retainers are fine, unless u are planning on going up past your 8k redline, but u know its a matter of peronsal preference if u want to shell out the money for new springs and retianers why not, it will give u more piece of mind, i was actually thinkin about doing that but then i went turbo so i was like forget it. But some great posts good info thumps up to u guyz!

 

its like so many people with different stories and scenarios. In fact, the local shop here in IL where they do import cars told me that, ITR valvetrain (double springs on intake and exhaust) are good for 8500rpms...and some other shops said that u can easily bent the valves...i mean, as far as skunk2 springs is concern, what does this springs limited to be rev up? can this be taken to past 9000rpm? if not then what good does it do?
thanks

 

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I totally agree with this, but ive always get confused that so many people here at HT are using ITR valvetrain(springs and retainers) for their skunk2 cams. Its not recommended, but i havent heard anybody yet who had an issue with the set-up. </TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by YoungMoneySi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No the Type R valvetrain is not recommended for the skunk2 cams...if you are not working with OEM parts then dont use OEM parts with it. Anything other than CTR or ITR cams you should go with aftermarket springs retainers and valves</TD></TR></TABLE>

Generally I would agree that you shouldn't use aftermarket equipment without it's completmentary parts...however, I know about elevntymillion people who run stock top end parts with SK2S1's and 2's (now I wouldn't run stock valvetrain with 2's at all) ... so do your own research rather than listen to people who might or might NOT know what they're talking about...

OF COURSE JUNK2 is going to say that they don't recommend them on stock valvetrain...you think they're in business to sell just the cams? Look at the thousands of people who just drop cams in and NEVER have problems...and then make your own decision.

And Jason is right...not without the ITR valves too...but the answer to your question is...it depends on how much money you want to spend...YOU SHOULD change the valvetrain...but you already know that.

 

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The question is, Has anyone ever done it before from the past? SKunk2 stage 1 cams on ITR valvetrain? of course, its been done many times. Its been proven i guess from other HT members...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by smkngsr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Its been proven i guess from other HT members... </TD></TR></TABLE>

Many times over again...

 

skunk2 pro1's on stock b16a valve train

 

Also consider this when buyin Skunk2 products https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1356040 something to consider wen droppin all that money for cams u would want their support.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TypeRobert &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also consider this when buyin Skunk2 products https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1356040 something to consider wen droppin all that money for cams u would want their support.</TD></TR></TABLE>

hence my lack of support for that company...

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by temp &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">skunk2 pro1's on stock b16a valve train </TD></TR></TABLE>

the questions is though...for how much longer?

 

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sorry i dont trust a member with only 871 posts posting that. if the guy had over 2k ok thats different. not to mention cracked cams? pffffttttt install error. not to mention the guy is from a "shop" and says he gets his cam gears from another dealer in LA? wtf? shady stuff right there.....

 

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hence my lack of support for that company...

the questions is though...for how much longer? </TD></TR></TABLE>


hahhahah that was me being a smart ***

 

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hahhahah that was me being a smart *** </TD></TR></TABLE>

same here

 

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same here </TD></TR></TABLE>

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by temp &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">sorry i dont trust a member with only 871 posts posting that. if the guy had over 2k ok thats different. not to mention cracked cams? pffffttttt install error. not to mention the guy is from a "shop" and says he gets his cam gears from another dealer in LA? wtf? shady stuff right there.....</TD></TR></TABLE>

a persons post count has nothing to do with their experience or knowledge about hondas and what they have to offer to H-T. not everyone knows about H-T and when they find out they join it therefore they just started and have a little post coiunt but might have a lot of knowledge about them so i think ur way of judging is stupid

 

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a persons post count has nothing to do with their experience or knowledge about hondas and what they have to offer to H-T. not everyone knows about H-T and when they find out they join it therefore they just started and have a little post coiunt but might have a lot of knowledge about them so i think ur way of judging is stupid </TD></TR></TABLE>

I have to agree...don't judge a book by it's cover...

 

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a persons post count has nothing to do with their experience or knowledge about hondas and what they have to offer to H-T. not everyone knows about H-T and when they find out they join it therefore they just started and have a little post coiunt but might have a lot of knowledge about them so i think ur way of judging is stupid </TD></TR></TABLE>


i know that post count is not everything, but i am saying would you trust some guy that had a ford walking up to you saying that all skunk2 products are garbage? i sure wouldnt, its the same concept, cracked cams? thats clearly an INSTALLATION error

 

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i know that post count is not everything, but i am saying would you trust some guy that had a ford walking up to you saying that all skunk2 products are garbage? i sure wouldnt, its the same concept, cracked cams? thats clearly an INSTALLATION error</TD></TR></TABLE>

He said he got them out of the box like that, the guy from the shop got them like that, it was for a customer of his, not himself.

No one is saying they're garbage, but with poor customer service...especially from the owner himself, that's not worth dealing with them to some people.

Like for instance if someone has a bad experice at say Best Buy and their employees treated you like crap, why would you go back there when you other people sell the same products.

BTW a quote from the owner of skunk2 himself:
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Honda-Tech is full of nothing but a bunch of Bench Racers and nobodys. </TD></TR></TABLE>