has anyone on this section of the great ht done a rally crx ? I'am doing one and I would like to find some hits and tips for it ?

 

I see your in Maryland...
If you wanted to take a ride up to Jersy, in Newark, one block over from my shop if a place called QuattroMotion Racing on New York Ave. They do alot of work for Rally teams and also alot of work for private customers.
They mainly deal with German cars but ive seen a few Integras and CRX's pokin out thier shop.

 

i'm sure you have checked out http://dcrally.com. last year i went to watch a rally-x down in Orange Cty. and there were a few EGs and one was totally race prepped.


there was an EF civic that competed in Club Rally a couple years ago, i believe he was quite sompetetive. he ran a LS w/ I/h/e

 

what kinda power did he net by using the ls w/ i/h/e and were the internals stock? jw thanks if you have any info

 

~140Whp, not sure on TQ. it was in an issue of SCC a few years ago, and then a few months later when he wrecked the car.

actualy i think the owner posted pics on here a while back

 

yea i'am gonna be competing on west va on that rally and I was thinking wich to run my eg or my crx btw should I use my turbo or not because my motor is buil do u think a turbo will be a good performer for a fwd car with a good amount of power , said 250-300 whp on a rally crx-or eg

 

Some of the CRX's in here are pretty high off the ground and look like they are ready for the Rally. Lol...JP.

 

Same Gen/Tech based, different platform. But it might be helpful? Honda Tuning Mag did an article this year of an EF/ED hatch that Rallies. Gives specs and all. If my Mags weren't packed and moved I'd find the issue for you, but they are. So Hit up Honda Tuning archives and find the article. It's not only intuative, but affordiably done.

 

Matt Johnston is currently in the lead for the National G2 Rally Championship and he drives an EG civic hatch. Im sure a CRX wouldnt be much different.



http://www.mattjohnstonrally.com

 

anybody know were I can get rally tires ???

 

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Google is your friend

http://www.fourstarmotorsports...4.htm

 

Nice to see something different. You mentioned 250-300 hp which is great but how hard is that going to be to actually get traction in the dirt. I figure they have all kinds of crazy tires for it but most of the cars with that kind of power usually are 4 wheel drive from what I noticed.
Screw have fun and let us know how things turn out.

 

I'd love to rally the rex...maybe plans for next year. Don't know anywhere around here though...
Keep us up to date man

 

you dont need that much HP in a G2 car to be competitive.

 

yea probably I'll boost th engine to around 4 to 5 psi to keep it around 200 hp that should be fine with some rally tires

 

save your money for rebuilds on the engine, spend it ALL in the suspension and gears/lsd. That is where the real speed in rally comes from, not just a high hp engine.

 

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well said

 

yea but this is not gonna be a allways rally car it was just to use it for 2 days that all after all that i will put it back to stock the cars that are going to compete are not even subarus or evos ..... i was doing my turbo build car but I came accros this
there is gonna be a rally in west va the 24 and 25th of sept so i would like to compete , is nothing serius I was even thinking on use the stock suspencion

 

if it is a staged club rally you prob wont be ready, Rally-x tech is the same as auto-x, but Club is the same tech as Pro. and SCCA uses a lot of FIA rules in club and pro. you need a alot of **** to pass tech once you move up the ranks. do a few rally-x runs before youeven attempt club.

these are what most of the guys run http://www.tirerack.com/tires/...+R700

next spring i plan on running rally-x down in Orange county, i hope to see you there

 

I use only Hankook rally tires.

I've used the Kuhmo's, Michelins, Falkens and the Hankooks are the best for the price:

http://www.hankooktireusa.com

The Kuhmo's are kinda junky, and very tall. Also, I dont think tirerack actually HAS any for a while.


The Gp5 Dodge Neons make 3-400hp and they are 2wd, thats about the limit.

Gp2 cars make between 130-200hp. The most important thing is gears and suspension. Expect to spend a couple grand for nice suspension, and a couple more for a good gearbox. Although I have been using bilsteins, and an junky ITR box and just won a national championship, so you can do with less for sure. Stock suspension wont last one event, and you will want to cry. You will have holes and creases in your floor.


The biggest expense besides nice box/susp is going to be safety gear, at the minimum you will need:

A multipoint welded cage
Front skidplate, rear gas tank skid (or cell inside the car with bulkhead)
2 proper race seats
2 6pt harnesses (5pts are legal still I believe)
Helmets with intercoms
First Aid Kit
Spill Kit
Fuel Sample port
Vehicle recovery points front a rear (Honda rear stock is ok, will need a custom front)

You DONT want to skimp on safety gear, if you rally long enough, you will roll. It is a fact. When you are rolling towards a tree at 89MPH you dont want to be wishing you spent the extra $$ for a nicer cage and seats.

And everything has to be in good shape. Balljoints, wheel bearings, wheel studs, etc.. hoses and lines. No leaks, no shakes, none of that stuff, because tech will find it, and make you stress out.

I would budget about $6,000 + the donor car to get a nice simple starter car.

CRX's are kinda too small from what people who have used them say. Remember you got 2 people in there + room to stow helmets and gear on transits. + Spare tire(s), jack, impact, tools, first aid, spill kit and water bottles. + a jungle gym of bars for your rollcage.

You need to read the rulebooks first. You can get the Rally America book from http://www.rally-america.com or the NASA book from NASA.

Dont worry about AWD cars. I have 100HP and 2wd, and I have beat EVO's. You just have to driver faster than them.

I may be looking to sell my Gp2 Civic at the end of the year (december) for $7500 with spares and tires. Couldnt build a car like it any cheaper!

 

your car looks familiar, did you run at the susquehanock(sp?) trail rally last year??

 

Yes, this year, and last year.

Last year I DNF'd, this year, I won.

 

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Actually rallying a CRX is quite a bit different... main difference is the wheelbase. CRXes get pretty twitchy on gravel. If you're thinking of running Group 2 would be better off with a EG or EF Civic Hatchback.

A turbo CRX / Civic for rally is just not a great idea. Would bump into Group 5 (which may actually be competitve, if can get the traction down). CRXes do okay in Production Class. Civics can do really well in Group 2 with say a B18B or B16A, possibly with a GSR motor. Pure power isn't really all that critical. Driving skill trumps everything in rally, far more than in road racing or drag racing.

People that talk about doing a Turbo CRX or Civic have not rallied before, and aren't familiar with the rules--and they won't be able to with a car like that. Rally America Licensing requires novices to start out with lower horsepower/displacement 2wd cars, either Production or Group 2.

Bear in mind that there is a super quick guy up in the Northwest who drives a POS 120 hp Mazda, and has come close to getting overall stage wins against AWD Subaru WRXes and Evos making twice the power (also driven by good drivers).

Don't spend any money on power--it isn't neccessary, especially when you're learning. You need a super tough, super reliable car that can hold up to the abuse of smacking into rocks, trees, etc. If you want to trick on the car, spend your budget on Suspension--You're going to need to set aside a minimum of about $1500 for a competitive rally suspension for a Honda. Don't forget an LSD (clutch type works best for rally). Seats, belts, safety equipment (you'll need two of everything as there is a driver and co-driver). Intercom, rally computer and lights are required equipment as well. Worry about power last. Drive first.

 

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That would be Steve Perret, a friend of mine, we live in the same City. Originaly was in Sport Compact Car. That car was totalled a while back. That car was dominating at the national championship and --gasp-- only had a B18B to power it.

 

wow today the crx performed really good ..... it did jump alot in the bumps and rocks but the experience wast really good .... untill a axel fail on us on the second lap on the last round lol were were gonna come on 3th place but we had that axel problem .. we were on the 1600 cc class runing with a d15b2 .. the motor was really good ..... we had some really good cars runing on us a 87 or so integra ls some nissan sentras and eg's
not my question is what can i do to make my suspension better .... my car really jumped alot to the point that it was really hard to control at high speed corners i got a video I will show u guys ....... thank in advance