quote "Wiseco developed this particular strutted/boxxed forging for
the B series, but some customers are applying this Wiseco technology on the
K and H series projects until they release "the BIG BAD 1". It has turned
out nicely...-mid 240 gram range at 90mm with a 59 gram 9310 pin. Dome is
buttery smooth. No internal milling except the window you see in the pin
boss supports. The skirts are beefy and the crown is pretty thick as
well-definitely not a one-hit-wonder. It will be interesting to see what
their full on K/H series looks like."

I know this has been posted about these box in box Wiseco pistons for B
series. I discussed this box/box type of Piston with Brian Nutter from Wiseco well
over 1 year ago, in fact I sent pictures over 1 year ago to Brian relating
to the design of such a piston. Brian and I have worked well together and
Wiseco has produced the strutted 92mm pistons used in our max bore specially
sleeved/machined H22a based engines, yes 92 mm.
After considerable development,experience, and teardown of numerous engines,
I have found that Wiseco pistons endure considerable abuse, are very stable
and retain their structural integrity under severe conditions, mandatory
conditions for max performance and longevity.
I am very pleased with Wiseco pistons.....Frank

 

Looks like Brads design.

 

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ridin da ****


its by no means brads design.

thats like saying that the piston is JE's idea or that rotary engines were mazda's idea.

just becasue brad posted the first pics of a piston of this design on here does not mean he thought it up himself.

 

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Looks similar but the ones Brad posted up the skirts are coated.

 

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its by no means brads design.

thats like saying that the piston is JE's idea or that rotary engines were mazda's idea.

just becasue brad posted the first pics of a piston of this design on here does not mean he thought it up himself.</TD></TR></TABLE>


Your Correct on that Boxxed pistons have been arround when you were in Diapers ...

 

brad, werent they around when you were in diapers too?

RMF: i remember when the first boxed piston design came out back in 1930. i was 30 years old then.. LOL!

j/k randy, u old fart!!!

 

this one is cool too!

 

Are you shure Wiseco developed these for the B series? Or was it for the the IRL. Skirt seems a little short for a long stroke. Unless it is drag only and has a life of 10 min.

 

race stuff......not to go collect the groceries .....lol........politically correct response? lol

 

That last pic looks like Formula 1 material.

 

yep, it is.......
supposedly Honda even ran an engine so tight, it needed to be warmed up to even start it...........apparantly it was finally discovered the engine ran with no rings and made some 40hp more than any other engine

 

how come all the "big time" drag racers are still using rings? ........lol

 

I would suggest you do more homework. The reason all F-1 moters are heated before starting is disimilar exotic metals. Some clearances are .0000. If Honda made 40 more BHP than the other you would think they would have won a F-1 race by now. Not when Richie Ginther won 20 years ago. Mahle, Cosworth, Wiseco have had this desigh for years, the reason it is now avail. is they have something better.

 

Because they do an excellent job pulling vacuum then compressing it.

 

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It depends on how hungry you are. And god damn it John I was born in 58

 

I didn't mean Brad thought up this design, but rather helped design this piston for this application...nevermind.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DonF &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would suggest you do more homework. The reason all F-1 moters are heated before starting is disimilar exotic metals. Some clearances are .0000. If Honda made 40 more BHP than the other you would think they would have won a F-1 race by now. Not when Richie Ginther won 20 years ago. Mahle, Cosworth, Wiseco have had this desigh for years, the reason it is now avail. is they have something better.</TD></TR></TABLE>

DonF......I should do my homework? ............haha
"Honda has not won an F1 race by now"?

...really......yeah, ok buddy.....didn't Honda win 15 of the 16 F1 races in 1988?

"The McLaren-Honda won an amazing 15 of 16 races that year and leading all but 27 laps, achieving a staggering and unbeaten record to this date. (Senna had been leading comfortably at Monza, but collided with back-marker Jean-Louis Schlesser's Williams.) Ayrton Senna took the driver's title that season, his first with the Woking marque. The next year, using a new 3.5L atmospheric engine designed by Honda, McLaren again won both titles, with Alain Prost clinching it in Japan after a highly-controversial collision with his teammate Senna."


I said <U>"apparantly"</U>..for a reason......I have not seen the F1 engine apart...have you? , I know you have not, you wouldn't be saying what you are if you did.
<U> "apparantly"</U>, the cars carried 2 oil tanks, and it was apparant that something different was going on as the cars would smoke a bit more than all the other cars during shifting., besides the extra "going's on" trying to get these engines going as they would hardly start unless they were heated MORE THAN NORMAL....I am not tlaking about everycar with warming blankie's here.
<U>"apparantly"</U>, only Honda had these issue's starting their engines.

Then, <U>"apparantly"</U>, Honda must of figured out how to get the pistons to expand exactly the same as the cylinder walls and no its not only 40HP,but <U>"apparantly"</U>, it was as high as 150 HP during qualifying.

so, DonF, <U>"apparantly"</U>, something was up with the engines....like most F1 stuff, I highly doubt there is much info available anywhere.

so, <U>"apparantly"</U>, maybe I have a high degree of confidence that the statement I made might potentially hold a little bit of water.......

<U>does your "critique" of me, hold up?</U>

 

honda has been having a tough time teamed up with BAR this season, perhaps next year when the cars go to smaller V8s we will see honda shine. I sure hope so

 

wow, somebody getting a little defensive,huh don? i'd trust don . i doubt honestly he would make a statement he doesn't know to be true. and probly has research to back it up. ::shrugs::

 

I think DonF was alluring to Honda not having won an F1 race this season.

I highly doubt someone as knowledgeable in all engines honda such as DonF, wouldnt know the history of one of the most successful teams in motorsports.

 

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box in box isn't new.......it's not something that has just come out......thats why I posted in my second post in this thread with a similar piston, which is not made by Wiseco......"apparantly" an F1 piston.

There are some new technologies in the "forging" process though and I am glad Wiseco is taking the lead and producing an offering that we all can use within normal budgets.


I was prepared to post that picture, cause I knew the likelyhood of someone coming in here would say , right away, something of the kind:

" that's the same piston as what Brad posted"

I was quite aware of Brad's posting for the B series.

I have not done this on my own accord, I was offered by Wiseco to introduce the box in box piston for use in the Honda K,H,F series engines.


Modified by PocketRockets Racing at 9:00 AM 9/21/2005

 

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I highly doubt someone as knowledgeable in all engines honda such as DonF, wouldnt know the history of one of the most successful teams in motorsports.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well, I don't feel defensive, I have no reason to be....sometimes the print media does not transfer and accurate image from mind to mind, correct?

accuracy is key to almost anything.....there is -/+ in everything.
I never said anyone was wrong or should go do their homework.
It was inaccurate to think I was talking about this season....I never mentioned a time frame.
I color outside of the lines.........mentioning the idea that an engine "apparantly" ran without rings, might spur a decent conversation.

 

how many dome cc for the mid 240 gram piston ?

 

You misread what I wrote.

i said DON was probably alluring to honda having not won an f1 race this season, not you.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LsVtec92Hatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You misread what I wrote.

i said DON was probably alluring to honda having not won an f1 race this season, not you.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Its not aimed at you, per say. but I am responding to your post.