ok, so i have a del sol, and i bought omni power lca's and put them on when i did my rear disc conversion from a del sol si, and ever since... my toe out has been off, and the alignment shop cant fix it, do i need a toe kit if i have those lca's?

oh ya, and the car IS lowered with kyb agx shocks and omni-power coilover sleeves... probably about a 2.5 inch drop

 

toe or camber?

 

toe

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my toe out has been off, and the alignment shop cant fix it</TD></TR></TABLE>
Have you tried other alignment shops? I've gotten the same b .s. "Your car is lowered, we can't adjust the toe with your car lowered like this." If in fact your toe can't be brought within spec, its not going to be due to those LCA's.
edit: So what I'm trying to say is that a good alignment shop should be able to adjust your toe, and maybe the one you went to is lazy/dumb.

 

yep, i went to NTB after i lowered my car and got omni LCAs, and they got the toe back to factory spec. try going to another alignment shop.

 

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do you know the difference??

your post doesnt seem to make much sense. you shouldnt need an aftermarket toe kit, the chassis already has available adjustment. in fact, thats the only adjustment available. you cant adjust camber without an aftermarket kit.

the other thing is that a LCA should not change your alignment much. however, i can see how it could change camber tho.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Noob4life &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Have you tried other alignment shops? I've gotten the same b .s. "Your car is lowered, we can't adjust the toe with your car lowered like this." If in fact your toe can't be brought within spec, its not going to be due to those LCA's.
edit: So what I'm trying to say is that a good alignment shop should be able to adjust your toe, and maybe the one you went to is lazy/dumb.</TD></TR></TABLE>

no i looked at the alignment bolt and everything, it all the way inwards

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyson &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">do you know the difference??

your post doesnt seem to make much sense. you shouldnt need an aftermarket toe kit, the chassis already has available adjustment. in fact, thats the only adjustment available. you cant adjust camber without an aftermarket kit.

the other thing is that a LCA should not change your alignment much. however, i can see how it could change camber tho.</TD></TR></TABLE>

the lca is shorter, so it gives the bolt less movement because the tire itself is in more

and yes i know the difference, camber:vertical angle, toe:horizontal angle

 

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no i looked at the alignment bolt and everything, it all the way inwards</TD></TR></TABLE>

then something is bent


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the lca is shorter, so it gives the bolt less movement because the tire itself is in more</TD></TR></TABLE>

wrong, the LCA's aren't shorter

 

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the lca is shorter,</TD></TR></TABLE>

shouldnt be.

who knows wtf youre getting from omni anyway.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slammed_93_hatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">then something is bent</TD></TR></TABLE>

nothing is bent, the rear end of my car has never been in a wreck or curbed, and the car that i got the trailing arms and discs off of has only been in 1 wreck, in a parking lot, the front right was hit, and the rear end didnt touch any curbs or anything

 

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nothing is bent, the rear end of my car has never been in a wreck or curbed, and the car that i got the trailing arms and discs off of has only been in 1 wreck, in a parking lot, the front right was hit, and the rear end didnt touch any curbs or anything</TD></TR></TABLE>

It's possible that the trailing arm spindle is bent, regardless of what you were told. I would try the stock LCAs on there and if you still can't get the toe aligned I'd imagine that at least one TA is shot.

I don't see anywhere on Omni's site that they sell shortened rear LCAs.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by El Pollo Diablo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's possible that the trailing arm spindle is bent, regardless of what you were told. I would try the stock LCAs on there and if you still can't get the toe aligned I'd imagine that at least one TA is shot.

I don't see anywhere on Omni's site that they sell shortened rear LCAs.</TD></TR></TABLE>

im good friends with the guy i bought the parts car from, and ive known him since he bought it... his toe was never off

 

...then put the stock LCAs on there...

Did you buy the right LCAs to begin with?

 

yes, and i had the stock 1 jagga rigged cuz the bushing came out when we were tryin to get the seized bolt out

 

irrelevant info.


Modified by slammed_93_hatch at 2:59 PM 8/30/2005

 

IF the lca is shorter, it will effect toe. Omni LCAs are NOT supposed to be shorter than stock, but you never know if you got a bad batch. If you still have an OEM rear LCA, take some measurements & compare. Just meassure the distance between the two outer bolt holes...

 

A shorter (wrong length) LCA will affect the toe as it will pivot the trailing arm inwards (toe-ing the wheel out) about the TA main bushing.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by El Pollo Diablo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A shorter (wrong length) LCA will affect the toe as it will pivot the trailing arm inwards (toe-ing the wheel out) about the TA main bushing.
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aaa ok, sorry i was thinking in terms of the way the suspension moves, now that you say that your right, edit previous post for irrelivant info

 

nooow u guys get it, lol. and i DO remember omni saying that they were shorter to reduce camber

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by omnipowerusa.com &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Omni-Power USA Lower Control Arms

- Forged Aluminum OEM Replacement
- Weigh Approximately 2.5 lb's Less Than Stock
- Vulcanized Rubber Bushings
- Provisions For Sway Bar
- Anodized in either silver or bronze

</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

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so get something that's correct length...

*shrug*

Nowhere on omni's site, as Tyson posted, does it say that the LCAs are shorter than stock. If you're positive they are and that you have the right arms then return them and get either OEM or something that's a direct replacement.

Did you measure the arms, or are you going by an assumption, or something you might have heard?

 

You did something wrong or something is bent. Does anyone else have this problem&gt;? I've never heard this before. I'm about to buy some.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by El Pollo Diablo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so get something that's correct length...

*shrug*

Nowhere on omni's site, as Tyson posted, does it say that the LCAs are shorter than stock. If you're positive they are and that you have the right arms then return them and get either OEM or something that's a direct replacement.

Did you measure the arms, or are you going by an assumption, or something you might have heard?</TD></TR></TABLE>

it said it on robearracing.com

 

you would think the source would settle some of these assumptions about lots of omni products?