With the Mini Cooper S moving from GS to DS next year, do you think the ITR willl be able to hang?
And have any of these changes been confirmed (ie mini S to DS, Sentra Spec V to GS, etc)?

 

The ITR should be a good match for the Mini, which IMO is too fast for GS.

And this should mean the Neon ACR is suddenly competitive again in Stock class.

 

Have they announced where the Cooper Works package will be classed, now that it's available from the factory?

 

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No.

 

Having owned both an ITR and the new Cooper S (with LSD) I can say that I think they'll do well against each other. Now that the Mini has a factory LSD option I think that it'll be way too fast for GS...

As to the Spec V going to GS, I'm not sure how competitive it'll be b/c of it's whacked gearing. Doesn't 2nd gear top out at around 50mph or so? Seems like you'd end up spending alot of time shifting from 2nd to 3rd

Christian, who runs his Mini in Street Mod b/c he likes the competition

 

Spec V is also pretty heavy IIRC. Long wheelbase too.

 

Spec V has lsd and a good amount of torque down low, which should make it pretty competitive in GS. But with like 160 hp, i think it is not fast enough for DS, especially with the cooper S moving there next year.

 

What year did the Mini's start coming standard with LSD?

&lt;---Who's dad recently bought another S, but not sure if it has LSD or not.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sscguy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What year did the Mini's start coming standard with LSD?

&lt;---Who's dad recently bought another S, but not sure if it has LSD or not.</TD></TR></TABLE>

05, but it's not standard, just an option.

 

If this happens it'll give me 2nd thoughts about retiring the Neon. Without the Cooper the Neons and Celicas are suddenly THE cars for that class, meaning you can now buy a nationally competitive Stock class car for about $2500 or less.

All our ACR needs is a motor refresh and the stock springs re-installed. And if Dodge comes up with some of their good old contingency payouts...
Hmmmmmm...
At the very least this increases the value of the car should we decide to sell it.

 

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05, but it's not standard, just an option.</TD></TR></TABLE>

What he said. Also, it's a CHEAP option... I think it was a whopping $500

Christian

 

It's a possibility that they may not be moved. It's not a definite yet.

They're waiting to see the results of Nationals to make a decision:
http://www.scca.org/garage/for...TPN=1

--kC

 

Acura TSX to H Stock...hrm. That kind of interests me.

 

Yeah, the TSX has a great suspension and some negative camber stock.........should be a pretty good autox car. Wish i could afford one..............looks like it's GTI 20th anniv. Edition for me ::ready to take on the celicas and neons in GS::

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Xian &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What he said. Also, it's a CHEAP option... I think it was a whopping $500

Christian</TD></TR></TABLE>

Dammit, then he definitely doesn't have it. That is stupidly cheap though. I'm assuming it's a Torsen-type?

 

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Very fun car, but I hope you like spending money on tires.

18's + lots of open diff fwhp + limited camber = $$$$$

 

hmmm. i wonder if CRX Si's will be competitive again too..


(what I want to buy.. but don't really want to race against minis..)

 

Cooper S vs. ITR is a good match in DS. I'd be more worried about the 330iZHP in DS.

On a side note, they are also considering the MazdaSpeed Protege move from DS to GS after the nats. So the fate of these cars lies in the hands of a couple of local boys in a yellow MSP #41/141?. Barring unforseen events, I predict an easy top-10 finish and even a possible top-5 for driver #141. Wouldnt even be surprised if both got into top 10. Wonder if the proposed move will be canned after such a result.

 

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Dammit, then he definitely doesn't have it. That is stupidly cheap though. I'm assuming it's a Torsen-type?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yep, Torsen style diff. Seems "ok", imo. Well worth it for the $$ but it could use faster/more lockup for race situations. Having said that, it's excellent on the street and I suspect that it's more than adequate for 99% of the people who will opt for it.

Christian, who's current problem with Mini's is the amount of body roll and squat they exhibit

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Catch 22 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Spec V is also pretty heavy IIRC. Long wheelbase too.

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The Spec-V is in the 2,700-2,800 lbs. range, 175 HP stock and the LSD is standard.

One of them recently won D Stock at the NE Divisional.

 

The move of the Mini S from GS is interesting. Might give the RSX-S we run every so often a fighting chance now that I procured a set of used stickies for it.

I am more worried about the moves into HS, it is high time I started looking actively for a replacement for the Accord.

 

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This is going to be interesting. What makes this ZHP so special? What years are these models? (I don't know much about BMWs.)

 

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This is going to be interesting. What makes this ZHP so special? What years are these models? (I don't know much about BMWs.)</TD></TR></TABLE>

The ZHP is aka Performance Package, 10 more horses, including 18x8F and 18x8.5R wheels (vs 17x7 i think, which means now can maybe run the killer 285-30-18 size), sport suspension (more aggressive on the Ci), available up to 2005 330s. No limited slip though. It's not a killer package or anything but considering the regular 330s were already able to run upfront, the ZHP will be faster and maybe able to dominate. I'm no bimmer guru either and this is as much as i know.

Edit: the package in question is available on the up to 2005 330 models.

 

ZHP is gonna be tough but I think the class winner in 2006 will be either an E90 BMW or a Mini if they allow the JCW in DS (and maybe even a regular MCS with LSD)

 

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You got to be joking. That would be quite the site, a DS BMW on 285 wide tires lol