The "Skunk2 style" upper control arms that I see/hear a lot about are not available in an EF application.

What are other EF drivers here using for front camber adjustment?

 

I have never used these

http://www.jhpusa.com/catalog/...1c3c6

But looks like there is some solution available. OPM also sells an adjustable delrin upper control arm bushing.

 

SPC has these for the A-arms with replaceable ball-joints (90/91?):

http://www.specprod.com/PROD_D...cmd3=
But you gotta drill a Big-*** Hole in each inner fender to give that big nut a place to go. (I used up two 1 3/4" hole saws and a LOT of cutting oil on those holes. EF inner fenders are beefy mothers.) On the plus side, you can use a 7/8 crows foot to loosen the adjuster thru the BAH and set the camber with the car on the ground...

 

are you trying to gain or loose negative camber?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .RJ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have never used these

http://www.jhpusa.com/catalog/...1c3c6

But looks like there is some solution available. OPM also sells an adjustable delrin upper control arm bushing.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Good lord! I could buy a whole EF for what these cost (I actually did)

Ingals Engineering makes adjustable upper camber bolts also...just for another option.

 

The Ingalls anchor bolts are NOT SCCA legal for IT. The SPC Adjustable anchor bolts are legal for both SCCA and NASA as are several other offset bushings.

 

How much camber could increase with the SPC kit?

 

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±5/8º with the inner A-arm bushings
±1.5º with the balljoints

 

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Which ones are the SPC's? I thought they were pretty much the same as the ingalls. Can you post up a pic or link to the ones you are talking about? Thanks!

 

Already posted in the thread above...

 

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i know some IT guys that just heat the knuckle, bend it to the desired camber setting and call it a day. the one guy i spoke with earlier in the year said he ran the bent knuckles on his itc car for 5+ years without issue.

-spenc

 

This is mainly for Mattamotor's '90 HB, though I will be using the same solution on my CRX later on.

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We're looking to gain camber, and to even out the camber L/R (or at least get it close).

The Vision arms are awfully expensive. For that kind of money, I'd prefer a tubular arm with a threaded ID that can be adjusted in and out like a tie rod (I've seen these on double-wishbone ATVs), as opposed to the slip-prone Skunk2-style arm. Of course, with the small market for EF front camber adjustment products, beggars can't always be choosers I suppose.

I figured the replacement ball joints would require modification to the inner fender. The car is pretty low (but still not enough camber) and the UCA occasionally hits over large bumps already. I suppose if we could gain enough negative camber with the ball joints and offset bushings, then we could raise the car up a little bit to allow more room under there.

 

The Ingalls anchor kit is a bushing inside a track that slides back and forth. It works well, adjusts easily, but it is not legal. You can get an additional -.75 degrees with the right ingalls kit.

The SPC anchor is a bushing with the bolt hole offset to one side, and you rotate the bushing to get the bolt hole more or less in a different spot. You cant get as much adjustment with them.

The SPC ball joint will hit the shock tower if the car is lowered too much.

Wes Vann home-made some nice looking custom ones here: http://www.performanceforum.co....html

I think Bending the knuckles and using SPC anchors to even it out would be the best way within the rules.

 

How low is the car currently? What kind of ride height are you shooting for when finished? On my H5/ITC EF HB, I'm currently at about 5" - 5.25" ride height, and I've got 3 degrees of negative camber in the front and 2 degrees of negative camber in the rear. My only means of camber adjustment is in the ride height w/ the coilovers.

Also, for Mattamotor's Civic HB, you wouldn't have to worry about staying within any SCCA rules (other than Solo II) since he has a motor swap. Your CRX could be a different story, though.

Just my $.02.

 

The car tucks tire in the front so it really low. were are you measuring from, i got 5 1/4 to the rocker panel? . I have 2.5 degrees on the right and 1.4 on the left, something is bent over there on the left. I would like to get 2.5 - 4 on both side depending on tires and weather(and what i am doing with the car ). I run SM for Solo 2 so rules arent problem there and when and if it ever become a HC car it will fine there as it will be in SPU or honda-cup for SCCA.

So rules arent really a concern i am looking for maxium Adjustablity, for the best price, without buying piece of crap part. Is ingalls ball joints the way to go then?

Also how much of concern is cutting the top of the shock tower?

 

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is bending the knuckles actually within the rules, though?

 

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Those are not IT legal.

 

IT legality does not matter here at all. car will never be an IT car.

 

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I realize that....I was just debating the fact that someone posted that they were IT legal.

 

Hey fireant,

Are those RPF-1's on the EF in your sig?

Size/offset/more pics, etc?

 

You have a PM Jon.


I just remembered there was a small buzz about these yellow UCAs made by a company that makes Truck control arms. I cannot remember where they were listed, but they looked good, and showed some negative adjustment in the same way Visions do.

Look for threads with Vision in the EF/CRX area and the thread will come up from early this year.