I had this problem come up the last event we had. I have an 01 integra type-r with a jdm front end. Some guy comes up to me and tells me he thinks i should be in the "fully street modified" class. He says since I had a jdm conversion I am not allowed to run in regular classes. At the time all i had was header-back exhaust.

right now my car is bone stock, and I am wanting to run d-stock. The fact taht I have the front end, I dont think they will let me. Is there anyway I can fight this?


Modified by Germpeel at 5:59 PM 8/26/2005

 

it is MODIFIED.....

that is stupid....

unless you are going it hardcore going to every event i'd laugh at the guy...
it probably weighs more anyways

 

Technically, no.

But if it's just for a local event, tell him to not be such a weenie.

 

Stop worrying about what class you are in, sign up for the correct one and work on your driving

 

Yup... but the correct class would be EP or DM... Seriously, for a local event, i'd call that a weenie. Try explaining politely to the organizors and the people in your class that a JDM front has no performance benefit and they'll probably agree to let you run in DS or STX. If not, just bitch slap them a few times.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Germpeel &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thats the problem,
i dunno wat the correct one is</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well you can just stick with D-Stock, or if they give you **** sign up for SM and just go have fune

 

As someone said you modded your car so you can't complain if your competitors want you out of their class and into the right one.

Although locally I think your competitors are being a bit much, but you're not stock. So you would be in SM, DM, or EM. You can't run in STX either since you had to replace bumper reinforcements which is not legal for ST rules.

 

yea i really dont care much but it gets annoying sometimes. I just want to tell them off, if another guys comes up and says the same thing haha.

I really dont see why a front end conversion would affect the performance, if I knew it were heavier then stock I would laugh at them for kicking me out of my class because I made my car slower.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jsi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> the correct class would be DM... </TD></TR></TABLE>

sorry to say , but true. you cannot modify bumper supports in SM.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Germpeel &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I really dont see why a front end conversion would affect the performance, if I knew it were heavier then stock I would laugh at them for kicking me out of my class because I made my car slower.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Your front end conversion might not be a performance advantage, but if the rules allowed for front end conversions in stock, the serious guys would come up with front end conversions that would greatly reduce weight. Not saying I agree, but you gotta draw the line somewhere.

Another thing to keep in mind is that just because a competitor says something isn't legal doesn't mean that they care. Sometimes it might be a "just so you know" kind of thing.

If you've changed or removed the cat in your "header-back" exhaust, that wouldn't be stock legal, either.

 

if your trying to be competitive you need to either do everything you can and make a competitive D modified car. In which case its not going to be street drivable anymore

or dont worry about it go in D mod and just have fun

theres no way you can become competitive in any other class because if you start winning people will protest and youll get changed to DM

If I were you I would just race in DM and have fun
no one wants to protest and have you changed just to be an ***
but if the choice is be an *** or lose points that they're trying to get
most will chose to be an ***


heres the link to the rules
if you want to see what you can and can not do http://scca.com/_filelibrary/F...s.pdf

 

do you have a header too or just a header-back exhaust? cause headers aren't allowed. just wondering..


i have a "jdm" hood and headlights on my car, but no one says anything.. my stuff is a little more subtle, though.. and i'm entirely too slow..

 

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sorry to say , but true. you cannot modify bumper supports in SM. </TD></TR></TABLE>

crap.. i'm hosed then...

wonder what class the scooby'd be in... i was going to pick up some ST615's and let the GF clean up SMT (local class)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Safir &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">crap.. i'm hosed then...</TD></TR></TABLE>

well, you can mod them.. sorta. if you are clearancing the bumper sauppoer for a intercooler, then that's cool. but you can not remove it, or replace it with something else.

 

That is pretty weenie at the local level, but it isn't legal for the class. Usually classing at local events is pretty lenient. When a guy showed up a couple weeks ago and was running his GTi with tons of boost mods raising him to like 250hp in STS I wasn't exactly excited about it though.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turbohappy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That is pretty weenie at the local level, but it isn't legal for the class. Usually classing at local events is pretty lenient. When a guy showed up a couple weeks ago and was running his GTi with tons of boost mods raising him to like 250hp in STS I wasn't exactly excited about it though.</TD></TR></TABLE>


I've never understood this way of thinking...

You can break the rules locally, but not regionally? That's just stupid, and encourages cheating - both blatantly and the little "fudging".

And BTW, a "header back" exhaust would be illegal too... unless you really meant cat-back.

The "it's supposed to be fun" argument goes both ways. If someone was just out there to have fun they wouldn't have a problem running in the correct class to begin with.

 

His problem is EXACTLY why I don't autox anymore. ***** weenies that just want to spoil a person's fun. They are everywhere.

My problem was I would take the rear seat cushins out of the car in DSP, only because I was hauling the tires in the car. Some guy bitched about my seat bottom not being in the car that might weigh 3#s...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JeffS &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The "it's supposed to be fun" argument goes both ways. If someone was just out there to have fun they wouldn't have a problem running in the correct class to begin with.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Exactly.

 

i did have "header back exhaust" but now im bone stock. Except from the front end of course, to tell you the truth, the next time someone gets on my case about and tries to ruin my fun, I'm gonna go out there and run over every single cone on my last run and just leave.

Oh no! ill get disqualified! No offense to any of you hardcore autox'ers on here but I autox for fun, sometimes I get a little pissy when people are smoking me in my class, but its all in fun. I personally find it the most fun when I spin out, unlike others who's day it would ruin.

But I was doing shitty in my class, and the guy comes up to me and bitches about my front end, I argued for a little while, and finally told him I dont give a **** and to stick me in whatever class he wants. He said "ok" happily and walked off, like he saved the damn world.

 

Why do you care that you have to run in ep instead of STS or stock

just because somone cares about the rules and that they are racing on a fare playing field you would go out and ruin everyones day

your like the little 8 year old playing basketball if I cant have it my way I'm gonna take the ball and go home

ya it sucks the guy gave you a hard time about your mod

but because of one guys coment you would ruin everyones day is pathetic

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i did have "header back exhaust" but now im bone stock. Except from the front end of course, to tell you the truth, the next time someone gets on my case about and tries to ruin my fun, I'm gonna go out there and run over every single cone on my last run and just leave.

Oh no! ill get disqualified! No offense to any of you hardcore autox'ers on here but I autox for fun, sometimes I get a little pissy when people are smoking me in my class, but its all in fun. I personally find it the most fun when I spin out, unlike others who's day it would ruin.

But I was doing shitty in my class, and the guy comes up to me and bitches about my front end, I argued for a little while, and finally told him I dont give a **** and to stick me in whatever class he wants. He said "ok" happily and walked off, like he saved the damn world.</TD></TR></TABLE>

With that attitude you wouldn't be welcomed back to that club after killing all the cones . I think your problem is you think everyone is after you because YOU modded your car and you are not happy. Well it's not your competitors fault if they are following the rules and you are not. How would you like it if some guy showed up in your class with just a "minor" aerodynamic upgrade? And he kicked your butt? But it seems you think the world should revolve around you. You will not be sticking around autocross very long with that crappy attitude.

But you said it yourself you are out there for fun. So why ruin it for others who are there for the same reason? Because you are "technically" illegal for the class you want to be in and you have to throw a hissy fit? Play by the rules - why is that a problem?

 

wow get off my case. I didnt figure that front end would be that big of a deal. I personally suck *** at autocross. Maybe the running over all the cones thing was goin a bit far, ahha.

I dont have a problem following the rules but when someone comes up to me and tells me that my car is breaking the rules, even when Im doin shitty as I am it pisses me off.

I mean if a person is doing really crappy, and you can tell he dont care about points etc, why would you bother to tell him he should be in a different class? Just let me do my thing, jeez.

Its just little stupid *** things that hardcore autox'ers (no offense) do to get themselves off. "Look at me I keep my d15 bone stock, because Im winning my class even though I dont go over 30mph on the straight away.

not to be such a big hater, but the guy was sittin in his car listening to trance, had his eyes closed and was trying to calm himself down before he went to run....(not that this was relevant at all)

He also argued with some guy about some turbo'ed mazdaspeed miata that wasnt suppose to be in the class it was in either (not that this was relevant either)

I think i personally dont like the guy, I dont have a problem with anyone else. I was also told by a couple others that unless I start winning I shouldnt worry about it, which isnt gonna happen anytime soon.

 

Get off your high horse dude. You're no better than the guy who told you to be in a different class other than stock with an attitude like that.

Be proactive, ask them what class you are supposed to be in at registration and go have fun.

 

its not just about winning and ponts

there are very specific rules about what you can do and what class you go in
this way there are no arguments about what class people go in. If they make an excpetion for you because you are not competitive what do they do when the next guy who is just sligtly more competitive than you. Do you tell him that he has to race in a different class and your an exception and he doesnt get that option.

You keep saying how your not competitive and your not winning than why do you want to be in stock class so bad. You can just as easily race in EP where you should be. And if you want to compare your times to stock you can.

Now how would you feel if you had no idea your JDM front end was illegal and you spend 1k on your suspension and another 1.5k to 2k on tires and wheels. And than he petitions your car and you get moved to EP.

Why do you feel so strongly about racing in a stock class if your just trying to have fun. It's clearly bothering the competitive people in your class.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I didnt figure that front end would be that big of a deal.

I dont have a problem following the rules but when someone comes up to me and tells me that my car is breaking the rules, even when Im doin shitty as I am it pisses me off.</TD></TR></TABLE>

It's a modification. What part don't you get? It's illegal for stock, street prepared, STS, STX, SM. No one is going to rewrite the rules because you didn't know the rules before you modded your car.

While some regions might be easier/slacking on the rules for certain classes, you cannot complain/whine when someone points you out as having an illegal mod. Just shows poor sportsmanship on your part.

Problem solved. So quit your bitchin. If you don't have problems following the rules then you shouldn't care to be in EP or EM. If you want to stay in stock put the stock front end back on.

Maybe autocrossing isn't for you either. There are other forms of motorsports to get into.