I have a S1 cable gearbox in my CRX.

I have a S80 (GSR) hydro gearbox sitting around...

I started to think, maybe I'll swap the hydro in sometime soon. But the mounts, and swap it in.

But, what's the point? The hydro has longer gears... only benefit would be lower RPMs at higher speeds (and a theoretical higher top speed)...

what else is there?

 

Different strokes for different folks. That is about the best answer I can give.

I prefer a cable cause you can feel the tranny engage and disengage but I have a buddy that hates cable trannies and loves his hydro.

Hydro clutches never have to be adjusted.

 

I dunno, but it seems the hydro transmissions have less of a grinding problem. I dunno if the sychros are better or it they're just newer. Hydro transmissions are also easier to find, and cheaper.

Anyone know about the synchros?

 

hydro trannies are stronger. I think the diffs a stronger in the hydro trannies as well.

Plus since they are newer they have a greater chance of being in better condition than the cable trannies in most cases.

 

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i think this is the only reason why i've kept my hydro gearbox for as long as i have.

when the synchros go out in my cable, i can toss the hydro in. when the synchros go out in the hydro, least i can get synchros installed.

 

You can still feel a hydro tranny in a EF cause its still basically used as a cable tranny.

 

Well the fact that cable trannies are becoming extinct and that almost every cable tranny grinds gears nowadays.

 

Here's the reasons i think they are popular:

- they are newer with less clicks- generally
- the later hydro tranny's have slightly better syncro's
- more models of hydro were available with lsd

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by drdisco69 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I dunno, but it seems the hydro transmissions have less of a grinding problem. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Not true at all, my brother owns a 2000 si and it already has been rebuilt once again because it grinds . I have a cable trans an it still does not grind ( and my trans is about 10 years old ). We both drive our cars pretty equally, plus I have a short shifter, he does not. So that myth about short shifters is false also.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PINEAPPLE &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hydro trannies are stronger. I think the diffs a stronger in the hydro trannies as well. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Stronger, what part of them is stronger ? Not the syncro's, for all the people that think the new hydro transmissions are stronger, you need to think again. Honda knows they have problems with the new transmissions, that's why they released a tsb.



And read the very bottom left hand part, where it talks about good consideration. What there saying is, the problem is not unusally, and if you are a good customer, they will fix it under pretty much for free, just to keep you as a customer.

The only real benefit I see is, if you order an engine swap package and it already comes with a hydro transmission, and you don't have a cable transmission on hand.


Modified by 90blackcrx at 1:22 PM 8/25/2005

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 90blackcrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And read the very bottom left hand part, where it talks about good consideration. What there saying is, the problem is not unusally, and if you are a good customer, they will fix it under pretty much for free, just to keep you as a customer.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I hope you know not to read into that too much, every Honda service bulletin has that written on it. It's usually a long shot, and usually only happens when the warranty has recently expired. If they do decide to cover something, they usually provide the labor or parts for free, not necissarily the whole repair.

 

good cable trannies are rare and cost more then hyrdo + hasports kit/converting car.

when doing my swap i wanted a ys1 badly but it was cheaper to get a healthy y21+hasports kit.

I love cables feel and trust them *nothing wrong with hyrdo i'm just old fashioned* more then hydro.

 

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I hope you know not to read into that too much, every Honda service bulletin has that written on it. It's usually a long shot, and usually only happens when the warranty has recently expired. If they do decide to cover something, they usually provide the labor or parts for free, not necissarily the whole repair.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well that's why I said pretty much free, the parts don't cost that much, compared to labor.

And if you go to the right dealership, and you talk to the right people, you can get it replaced pretty much for free. Its all about knowing who to talk to and what to say.

 

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Well that's why I said pretty much free, the parts don't cost that much, compared to labor.
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Tranny parts from the dealer are NOT cheap, i dont care what you compare them to. Both ends of that are gonna rape you (labor and parts).

And one day i will convert to hydro so i can run a type r tranny. They are pretty easy to find, unlike the short ratio YS1 with LSD.

 

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Tranny parts from the dealer are NOT cheap, i dont care what you compare them to. Both ends of that are gonna rape you (labor and parts).

And one day i will convert to hydro so i can run a type r tranny. They are pretty easy to find, unlike the short ratio YS1 with LSD.</TD></TR></TABLE>

$300 for transmission parts is not cheap, but compared to the original price Honda charges you, which is around 1,000 .

 

on-topic:
i think that the age of cable trannies has alot to do with their tendency to have grinds. but, hydo trannies and the YS1 (cable w/ hydro innards) may be better for reliability. i don't have enough experience with each to say for sure though.
IMHO, it is the human "shifter"who manipulates the stick-shifter that determines if a tranny will have atendency to grind -- not whether the stick is short or OEM. if you can't shift right, you're gonna get grinds.
sorta off-topic:
does anyone know where to get a non-vtec YS1? i have a vtec YS1 and when i build a boosted b16 i want the 'LS' YS1 for that engine. thanks.

 

i'd stick with the S1 until something goes wrong. its better geared than that hydro gsr.

and when the time comes, just swap all the internals of that hydro gsr tranny into the cable housing. that way you don't have to buy the hasport conversion kit, and you can sell of the hydro casing later.

IMO, hydro trannys arent any better. cable trannys just have problems cause their older. just wait another 4 years and those hydro trannys will be grinding and hard to find too.

ultimate EF setup = ITR complete internals + cable casing.

 

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IMO, hydro trannys arent any better. cable trannys just have problems cause their older. just wait another 4 years and those hydro trannys will be grinding and hard to find too.

ultimate EF setup = ITR complete internals + cable casing. </TD></TR></TABLE>

You have to remember how many years the B series hydro tranny was produced compared to the B series cable. And im not so sure if the hydro innards into a cable housing is soo straight forward. Might not be cost effective if u need to have it done by the pro's (gearspeed). Just a thought...

 

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ultimate EF setup = ITR complete internals + cable casing. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Thats what the YS1 tranny is!!! (1st gear is slightly lower)

 

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You have to remember how many years the B series hydro tranny was produced compared to the B series cable. And im not so sure if the hydro innards into a cable housing is soo straight forward. Might not be cost effective if u need to have it done by the pro's (gearspeed). Just a thought...</TD></TR></TABLE>

all it takes is grinding the case a bit. you could do it with a dremel, its so minor.


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Thats what the YS1 tranny is!!! (1st gear is slightly lower)</TD></TR></TABLE>

not exactly. a vtec ys1 tranny has similar ratios as the ITR, but the 4.4 FD doesnt compare to the 4.7 FD from the ITR. and the ITR lsd is different too. more options for aftermarket diffs with the hyro internals.

 

I like cable so I went from hydro to cable but I don't know much about the hydros never really used them friends always had problems with them for some reason I've never had problems with my cable trannys so... yeah my opinion