trade 4ft/lbs of torque for 10hp?

i ask because i have a 92 GSR, b17 is fun and all, but i am sure i can pick up an XSi motor w/ LSD for cheap and pull the b17a in favor of the b16. lose 4ft/lbs of torque for 10 hp. lose the rarity of the b17a in the car, gain more power, a more rigid motor, a motor with a better r/s....decisions decisions

 

I say keep the rarity. If you have the money to dump into a swap, why not just go turbo? Or, if you plan on keeping the B17, then the swap would be fine.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JayLS &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I say keep the rarity. If you have the money to dump into a swap, why not just go turbo? Or, if you plan on keeping the B17, then the swap would be fine.</TD></TR></TABLE>


dont want turbo, keeping her relatively stock. just some bolt ons. kinda. dont need much more then that, want her reliable as possible.

 

So you're wanting to spend money on something that won't make any difference with the quickness of the car? 4tq and 10hp is so small of differences its not worth even thinking about. You won't feel any difference in the pulling of the car. Plus HP is just an ego booster....HP does not win races, torque does.

Personally I wouldn't even think of spending that kind of money for virtually no extra power.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dunc &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So you're wanting to spend money on something that won't make any difference with the quickness of the car? 4tq and 10hp is so small of differences its not worth even thinking about. You won't feel any difference in the pulling of the car. Plus HP is just an ego booster....HP does not win races, torque does.

Personally I wouldn't even think of spending that kind of money for virtually no extra power.</TD></TR></TABLE>

TORQUE wins races to a point, and there is more then just "oh i just want to spend hundreds of dollars for 10hp" its the fact that the b17a mileage is over 100k at about 130k or so now. i for one would rather have a motor with low miles on it then one thats got high miles (high being a relative term), higher compression same octane, the B17a has a 9.7:1 compression ratio whereas the b16a has the 10.4:1 compression ratio and you can run 87 octane on both, with gas prices being all ghey that is a major concern. the b16a has a "block girdle", the b17a doesnt, making the b16a block more rigid (purchasing a used girdle is not cheap, nor is getting a new/AM unit). raising the compression on the b17a would mean a rebuild on the bottom end, if i rebuild the bottom i will rebuild the top, this would be more expensive then buying a lower mileage motor (maybe, depending on how much my hookups can set me up). see there are pro's and con's to both sides. this is why i am debating this

 

Take the b16 and give me the b17.

You could atleast get the lsd trans

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by walker111 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Take the b16 and give me the b17.

You could atleast get the lsd trans</TD></TR></TABLE>

give? MAUAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAH if i did do the swap i would most likely keep the b17a, rebuild it and save it for a CRX or something fun mauahahahahah. but yeah still debating, i mean i could get a set of ITR pistons w/ rings for 160 thru my hookup, having them installed + bottom end rebuilt will run me about $500, then rebuilding the top end, i would be looking at easily another 5-600, which is over 1200 WITHOUT and LSD trans. however i would be left with a motor that is basically in new condition.......again with the pro's and con's

EDIT: the USDM ITR pistons would yield a compression ratio of 10.2:1 according to the c-speedracing compression calculator, which would raise it close to the second gen b16a spec, thats why i said those pistons

 

B17A is better then a B16A period. as far as tranny the B16 LSD is better and i'd rather. that would kind be retarded to swap a B16A over a B17A i think you should sell your car and buy a LS then swap

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by UnlimitedHonda5 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">B17A is better then a B16A period. as far as tranny the B16 LSD is better and i'd rather. that would kind be retarded to swap a B16A over a B17A i think you should sell your car and buy a LS then swap </TD></TR></TABLE>


do you have any LOGICAL statements to back that up? i find that .1l of displacement and 4ft/lbs of torque is really not worth losing a near perfect R/S, losing a "block girdle" making the motor LESS rigid at high RPM's. i think that you are t3h sux

 

well since you will be slow anyways why bother? That b17 motor is just being broken in at 130k miles. You should be good for another 6-7 years on that bad boy. The only thing better is the LSD and it really wont make too much of a difference unless you want to auto x or the like.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95GSRTT &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well since you will be slow anyways why bother? That b17 motor is just being broken in at 130k miles. You should be good for another 6-7 years on that bad boy. The only thing better is the LSD and it really wont make too much of a difference unless you want to auto x or the like. </TD></TR></TABLE>


UM....no? motors dont "just begin to get broken in" at that mileage, anywho, i know that the motor will last, thats not the question, and it wouldnt be "slow anyway" in theory the b16a would be faster because you are starting off with higher compression which would yield better results on N/A mods...and auto x is of high interest to me

 

buy it, put the lsd tranny on your B17, then sell the B16 off again. if you are getting a good deal like you said, you can probably sell off the motor and make most, if not all, of your money back.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by UberMunkey &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">buy it, put the lsd tranny on your B17, then sell the B16 off again. if you are getting a good deal like you said, you can probably sell off the motor and make most, if not all, of your money back.</TD></TR></TABLE>


good though, still leaves me with a higher mileage b17 and a low mileage b16a ARGH maybe i should just grab a c5

 

lol, You took what I said the wrong way I think. Alot of hondas can go forever compared to other cars, thats why I said its just being broken in, when other manufacturers cars are dying off at that milage.

Anyways its your money, completely change it out if you feel the need.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95GSRTT &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">lol, You took what I said the wrong way I think. Alot of hondas can go forever compared to other cars, thats why I said its just being broken in, when other manufacturers cars are dying off at that milage.

Anyways its your money, completely change it out if you feel the need.</TD></TR></TABLE>

oh, my fault anywho i am still undecided, thinking if running a c5 motor off of the p61 w/ hondata would work and be fun enough.....i dunno, its more like me just wanting something with low miles/newer on it. lol......picky and stupid maybe but