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Old Aug 20, 2005 | 06:47 AM
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I just received my GC coilovers with custom spring rates (500 front and 800 rear) What surprised me is the fact that all the springs are the exact same length. How can this be? aren't the rear supposed to be 1.5-2" longer?? I need help
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Old Aug 20, 2005 | 06:52 AM
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Ohh by the way, car is a 94 Civic Hatchback
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Old Aug 20, 2005 | 08:52 AM
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no, they can be the same size...did you specify what length spring you wanted when you ordered? probably not...
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Old Aug 20, 2005 | 09:14 AM
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My rears are 7" and fronts are 8". Ground controls too, DC.
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Old Aug 21, 2005 | 12:29 AM
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what difference does it really make? I have shortened konis
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Old Aug 21, 2005 | 08:20 AM
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It all depends on your final ride height and how long the threading on your sleeves are. On my own cars, I prefer to run the same length all the way around as it gives you more flexibility when swapping rates around. No big deal, just install them and set you heights while being careful not to scratch the springs. If you can't get your goal height to the car, then call them immediately and see if you can swap them with different lengths. There is no specific right and wrong across all car, put your car together and see what it does for you.
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Old Aug 21, 2005 | 03:18 PM
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i thot spring rate was measured by the amount of pressure required to decompress the spring. If that were true than the length of the spring wouldnt matter.
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Old Aug 21, 2005 | 04:54 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Lekz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i thot spring rate was measured by the amount of pressure required to decompress the spring. If that were true than the length of the spring wouldnt matter.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Spring rate is a factor of the wire diameter, diameter of the coils, and the number of working coils. You can have the same rate spring in different lengths with the same diameter but some of these factors will be adjusted. The net effect is multiple length options for a given rate.
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Old Aug 21, 2005 | 05:30 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CRX Lee &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Spring rate is a factor of the wire diameter, diameter of the coils, and the number of working coils. You can have the same rate spring in different lengths with the same diameter but some of these factors will be adjusted. The net effect is multiple length options for a given rate.</TD></TR></TABLE>

IF that were true then why isnt spring rate measured like tire sizes (ie. 205/40/16). All those factors dont describe the measurement of a spring rate (ie. 800lbs or 14k). Im no spring expert but i think my explaination makes more sense. Correct me if im wrong please.
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Old Aug 21, 2005 | 06:46 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Lekz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

IF that were true then why isnt spring rate measured like tire sizes (ie. 205/40/16). All those factors dont describe the measurement of a spring rate (ie. 800lbs or 14k). Im no spring expert but i think my explaination makes more sense. Correct me if im wrong please. </TD></TR></TABLE>

your wrong, CRXlee is right.
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Old Aug 21, 2005 | 07:16 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slammed_93_hatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">your wrong, CRXlee is right.</TD></TR></TABLE>

koo thx
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Old Aug 21, 2005 | 07:57 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Lekz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

koo thx </TD></TR></TABLE>

lol..got told
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Old Aug 22, 2005 | 04:17 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Lekz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...why isnt spring rate measured like tire sizes (ie. 205/40/16). All those factors dont describe the measurement of a spring rate (ie. 800lbs or 14k). </TD></TR></TABLE>
If you go to buy a racing spring seperately, you will order something like 450 lb. x 8 in. tall x 2.5 in. ID so essentially you are speccing all the dimensions you need. If you just order spring rate alone, either someone already has the rest of the needed info, guesses at it or will ask you for it. With the tire it is tread width/aspect ratio and rim diameter. You provide your dimensions, it's essentially the same.
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Old Aug 22, 2005 | 04:42 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CRX Lee &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">. On my own cars, I prefer to run the same length all the way around as it gives you more flexibility when swapping rates around.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I do the same.
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