after looking at this site- http://www.c-speedracing.com/h...m.php

it appears to me that installing cams isn't really too hard. te only thing that worried me, was at the end where it said do a valve adjustment. is this necessary if i'm just going to install skunk2 cams, and not camshafts? b/c i have no idea how 2 do that.

Also, do i need to upgrade anything else? like new springs and retainers, for installing skunk2 cams on my daily driven ls?

Thanks

 

cams are just short for camshafts


What stage cam are you installing. If it is 2 read below:
Stage II: Stage II profiles are more aggressive than Stage I profiles, and are designed for modified engines operating at higher rev ranges. Upgrading to Skunk2 Racing valvetrain components is required for proper operation. Stock idle and emission characteristics may be slightly compromised, but fair-to-good driveability allows them to still be used on dual-purpose vehicles. Proper tuning, an upgraded intake system, and an exhaust system are required in order to maximize the potential of these camshafts. Do not use oversized valves.

And now that i read mor on the skunk page, Do you know that they only make cams for VTEC engnes, and unless you have a swap your LS in a NON-VTEC, so the skunk cams wont even fit the engine

 

wow, i didnt know that. good thing i didnt order them yet. i'll have 2 find something else then.

ok, and 2 clear everything up, i want to install cam gears***

 

if you do decide to get cams, go with crane cams or crower.

 

Well you know that cam gears wont do anything wiht out haveing cams to tune them with.

You reallly need to run the car on the dyno to get the cams tuned right with teh cam gears.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Racermech &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well you know that cam gears wont do anything wiht out haveing cams to tune them with.

You reallly need to run the car on the dyno to get the cams tuned right with teh cam gears.</TD></TR></TABLE>

and if youre gonna spend that much, you might as well spend the extra money to make more than just 1-3 hp.

 

so if i get crane or crower, and install them correctly myself in my driveway, it'll be ok to drive around with them the way they are, before i get them tuned, right?

and should i upgrade the valve springs and retainers? or is it not necessary?

thanks alot, i really appreciate it

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Liquid Ice NF &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so if i get crane or crower, and install them correctly myself in my driveway, it'll be ok to drive around with them the way they are, before i get them tuned, right?

and should i upgrade the valve springs and retainers? or is it not necessary?

thanks alot, i really appreciate it </TD></TR></TABLE>

you might not have to upgrade the valves/springs, depending on how aggressive the cams are. the websites tell you if you have to, or if its "recommended".

 

I have a set of vrane cams, and they say you dont have to upgrrade anything. I got the #12 cams, the #11 are allmost stock, the 12 is just a bit larger. 13 is quite a bit bigger and you really need to upgrade everything for thoses.

At some point i will still upgrade the valves and springs, but i will just not run at 100% untill i get everything all upgraded

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Liquid Ice NF &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so if i get crane or crower, and install them correctly myself in my driveway, it'll be ok to drive around with them the way they are, before i get them tuned, right?

and should i upgrade the valve springs and retainers? or is it not necessary?

thanks alot, i really appreciate it </TD></TR></TABLE>

You need to be specific about what exactly it is you are looking to purchase.

Adjustable cam gears are simply the sprockets that bolt to the ends of the cams. They allow you to adjust cam timing, but unless you are going to tune the properly, there will be no performance gain from installing them. Installing these does not require any change to the valve train such as springs, retainers, etc.

Camshafts are the actual shafts that control the opening and closing of the valves. Depending upon the cam you select, it is highly recommend that you have them tuned (which will require some sort of piggy-back tuning device at the least), and many require upgraded valve springs.

To help clarify for you, here is a photo of a pair of cam gears:



This is a photo of a pair of camshafts:

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Padawan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

You need to be specific about what exactly it is you are looking to purchase.

Adjustable cam gears are simply the sprockets that bolt to the ends of the cams. They allow you to adjust cam timing, but unless you are going to tune the properly, there will be no performance gain from installing them. Installing these does not require any change to the valve train such as springs, retainers, etc.

Camshafts are the actual shafts that control the opening and closing of the valves. Depending upon the cam you select, it is highly recommend that you have them tuned (which will require some sort of piggy-back tuning device at the least), and many require upgraded valve springs.

To help clarify for you, here is a photo of a pair of cam gears:



This is a photo of a pair of camshafts:

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thanks, that cleared that up for me. but i knew which was which lol
I think for now i'll look into crane cams, and first see what kind of dyno time rates i can get, before i do anything.

 

And jsut to add to the above photos, if you look at the cams you will see a set of three "lumps" these are called the lobes, they are what control the opening and closeing the valves. These cams are vtec cams because they have the three lobes, a non-vtec cam will only have two lobes.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Liquid Ice NF &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thanks, that cleared that up for me. but i knew which was which lol
I think for now i'll look into crane cams, and first see what kind of dyno time rates i can get, before i do anything.</TD></TR></TABLE>

depending on what cams you get you might want to upgrade to a new FPR, and if you go with bigger cams you will need to upgrade injectors. Also you will need to find about either a chip and tune for your ecu or get a SAFC.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Racermech &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And jsut to add to the above photos, if you look at the cams you will see a set of three "lumps" these are called the lobes, they are what control the opening and closeing the valves. These cams are vtec cams because they have the three lobes, a non-vtec cam will only have two lobes.</TD></TR></TABLE>
cool, i didnt know that.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Racermech &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And jsut to add to the above photos, if you look at the cams you will see a set of three "lumps" these are called the lobes, they are what control the opening and closeing the valves. These cams are vtec cams because they have the three lobes, a non-vtec cam will only have two lobes.</TD></TR></TABLE>
my ecu is already chipped, and has a socket 2 swap it out and put a different one in. i saw that there is a few places online that can make chips for the ecu. for example, you give them a complete list of all of the upgrades, and they make it for you, and send it 2 you. then you can plug it into the socketed ecu. would this be any good? i know a SAFC would be alot better, but i just wanted to check. Also. what size injectors should i upgrade to?

 

Dont go for the chip by mail, each engine is different and some mail order chip just cant do what a dyno tune can do.

The injectors really depend on what size cam and the tune. You might not need them. I would first find the cams you want, then ask around and see who has what. I seem to see a lot of guys that think they need all sort of upgrades to the fuel system, when they really dont. So ask around and see what others say. Also talk to the place that is doing the dyno tune, they might of done a set-up close to yours and can tell you what they have seen before.

If you think you are going to be right on the edge of needing injectors you could allways tune the car without them and see how it goes. If you only see an issue at really high RPM, then you can run the car as is, just make sure not to run at that RPM untill you upgrade the injectors. Of course you might find out that you really dont need them.

 

Be careful not to put a cap on the wrong way. You will cut off oil flow to parts of the head by doing that the wrong way.