Looking for a brake pad that is not noisy (or low noise), doesnt leave excessive dust, but delivers good solid braking performance. I already have SS brake lines, Motul fluid, slotted Brembo rotors. The pads Im using now are by Hawk but they dont have the "bite" I want. Before that I had Axxis Metal Matrix pads, which were better than the Hawks but I wanted to try something different, and more agressive. Any info will be appreciated.


Patrick

 

what car?

 

Cobalt Gt-Sport, maybe Carbotech Bobcat.

 

I find Porterfield R4-S pads to do exactly what you describe. With the proper bed-in procedure, brake to a craw several times until pads fade, and then cool, the pads are then good for a beating at the track. They are also high coefficient and good for street at normal street temps.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FerioB18 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Looking for a brake pad that is not noisy (or low noise), doesnt leave excessive dust, but delivers good solid braking performance. I already have SS brake lines, Motul fluid, slotted Brembo rotors. The pads Im using now are by Hawk but they dont have the "bite" I want. Before that I had Axxis Metal Matrix pads, which were better than the Hawks but I wanted to try something different, and more agressive. Any info will be appreciated.


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There isn't one.

Either it'll dust a lot, or it won't bite well. Or it'll run too cold. Or, it may work on the street, but it'll be loud as **** and dust a metric ton.

 

I would say try the Porterfield R-4S

but not the R-4.

the r-4 will make a lot of noise and dust

 

Sorry, the car is a 1995 Civic Ex sedan, 4 wheels disc and ABS.


Patrick

 

Brake noise is cool. White wheels with Carbotech PantherPlus pads is cool.

You can't have it all. Like bb6h22a said, it's always a tradeoff. The better they stop, the noisier they are and the more they dust. I say stick it out, turn up the radio and clean off those wheels every week, because I'm a brake *****.

 

Well its not my daily driver so I guess I could live with some dust (dammned polish lip) and some brake squeal.

 

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I humbly request you NOT use Bobcats on track. They might work for you. They might not. Something like a Panther Plus or XP8 (depending on tires, vehicle weight, experience) is a far better option to put on at home and drive to/from the track.

 

I've been beating my Panther Plus pads on and off the track daily for over 20,000 miles and have nothing but good to say about them. They're actually pretty quiet most of the time, and the dust... well, lets just say white wheels don't help hide it. But they get from me.

I was warned away from Bobcats when I called to order as well, they just can't take the heat of track use, from what I remember. It's been a couple years...

 

Looked on the Porterfield (R4-S) site and found no application for the 1995 Civic Ex sedan w/ABS and 4 wheels discs. But it is available for the Civic Ex coupe w/ABS and 4 wheel discs. Dont they use the same brakes?

 

I've had excellent results with service by calling them [Porterfield].

 

If you don't want to spend much, try PBR (axxis) Ultimates.
I have used these as a street/track pads for the last 2 years, great pad IMO.

 

What he said^

Stops great cold and, well, I boiled the fluid at TGPR and the pads still worked better than ever.

 

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+1

 

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If you're really interested in the Porterfield's, call them and talk to Tim. They're able to fit just about anything you could think of.

 

Yeah seriously just call them they had rear drum shoes for my '99 Corolla a few years ago so I'm pretty sure they'll have anything you need for your car.

 

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Coupe EX w/abs uses the same brakes as the Sedan EX w/abs. In and of the EG civics, I believe only the abs equipped cars came with rear discs. The EG sedan/coupe w/abs uses the same brakes as the DC2 integra with the exception to the Type-R.

DC2/EG(w/abs & rear-disc) FMSI reference numbers:
FRONT&gt;D617
REAR&gt;&gt;D374

Edit: there is one difference, the hb Si w/o abs uses FMSI D273 (DX-sized brakes) for the front, but D374 for the rear; it is the only EG that came with rear discs but no abs.

 

I've got Carbotech XP-8s on my 240sx and they're great.

 

Axxis Ultimates = all year around good pad. From what I have heard... Cobalt pads are great on the street. Try their website for which pad works best for your needs.
I use Cobalt VRs track and street and love 'em But I don't recommend a pad like this for DD.. way to expensive to waste

 

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Not a better pad on the market, IMO.

You specifically mentioned bite and well, that's one of the biggest reasons I continue to use the 1108 (XP8). Awesome bite.

 

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I have used these as a street/track pads for the last 2 years, great pad IMO.
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I agree. I've used these pads on my DX coupe for a number of track days (3 at Streets of Willow and 1 at Cali Speedway), plus a lot of street miles. They've always been good to me.

 

I run Carbotech xp10s on the street with my 99 Camaro SS. Works fine.