whats the highest whp you've seen with R cams? just wondering what these things are capable of.

 

I'm wanting to say that I've seen in the 200 hp range.

 

how can someone tell the differance between stock b16 cams ,itr's and ctr cams?

 

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Go searching and you'll be able to find it.

I've seen OEM ITR/CTR cams hit a little higher than 200whp with enough compression.

 

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definitely over 200whp. think 230whp is possible with the right block?

 

I'd say 215whp is possible with a really good tune, good boltons, and some head work.

 

i got fully built gsr, bottom block- 11.5:1 wiseco pistons, shot peened R rods, .50 overbore, decked .20, toda 2mm headgasket, head is gsr port and polished, 3 angle valve job, toda dual valve springs, jun titanium retainers, type r valves, i had crower stage 2s in it but i think they blew my last motor so i dont want a repeat, what do u think i would get with ctr cams with this set up, i also have a kenji p28 ecu, skunk2 pro series mani, erik racing tb, dc type r headers, apexi gt spec exhaust, aem cold air, aem fuel pressure regulator, 310 rc injectors... thanx alot

 

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I should be in the 215 with my build and CTR cams...I would think that's about all you can make...possibly 230 with tuning...we shall see

 

I did 246hp at the flywheel forgot the whp thoug but should be close around 180-190.This was done on a JDM ITR with PNP ,stock 4-1 header with racing exhaust,Mugen headgasket,stock ITR intake .This was my N1 engine

 

92TypeR was still running his ITR cams when he first got his fully built 2.0L running. I want to say he was pushing in the 210whp range??? I may be wrong, I'll get him to chime in.

 

why does everybody ride the type r cam band wagon? usually i see these cams going for more money than aftermarkets which will make more power 99% of the time.. it just seems a waste.

i could compare it to a v8 guy building a block with 12:1 compression, big *** carb, intake manifold, bad *** headers, and then using an "rv cam"

if you're going to build an engine, get some real cams. sure, power has been made with these oem cams, but i guarantee that in identical setups, some stage 2 aftermarkets will make more power.

 

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True true.

If you wan to get power from smaller cams you can port the head accordingly but getting bigger cams is a easier and more feasible route.

 

Running B18c5 all stock with few bolt ons and vafc 207whp

 

ya i had crower stage 2 but it made too much power, i dont have crower srpings and retainers, and toda and jun... the cams r too big and require crower vtrain, so im thinkin about skunk2 stage 1... what do u think?

 

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700whp... http://forums.evans-tuning.com...=2360
630whp... http://forums.evans-tuning.com...=1995
615whp... http://forums.evans-tuning.com...=2481
601whp... http://forums.evans-tuning.com...=2550
595whp... http://forums.evans-tuning.com...=2475


I know these cars are turbo, but I think cars like this might have something to do with it. All these cars are using CTR/ITR cams. I only listed a few and there were plenty making this much power with GSR cams as well.

For all motor I do see what your saying though. I guess some guys just like sticking with OEM parts.

 

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I think some people find more reliability in using oem parts.

 

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Time proven technology and reliablilty! 220+ is very possible

 

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im not saying those power levels arent very possible, all im saying is that they are even easier to get using bigger cams. I understand that honda reliability is a proven thing, but purposely limiting one area of engine development/power output for "honda reliability" doesnt make that much sense to me.

Also realize that the type r cams were designed with a certain power level in mind, and most likely perform the best inside of that window.

and as far as those turbo graphs that bbka posted, i can almost guarantee with 100% accuracy that if they had bigger cams and/or properly designed cams to go with the engine setup, they would make more power. I guess its a tribute to OEM Honda engineering?

 

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I'm sure they would, but do you really need more than 600 or 700whp? Power isn't everything. I would trade horsepower for traction anyday. All those cars have plenty of power to run sub 10 second 1/4 mile times... that's pretty damn fast.

I think the point I was trying to make is that's why people like the ITR/CTR cams so much, plus if you already have them you won't need to spend more money on aftermarket cams. For all motor it's a different story though since you don't have a turbo to make all your power for you.

Also I have seen a few builds and know a few people that just like to keep everything OEM... I guess it's more of a challenge.

 

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im not saying those power levels arent very possible, all im saying is that they are even easier to get using bigger cams. I understand that honda reliability is a proven thing, but purposely limiting one area of engine development/power output for "honda reliability" doesnt make that much sense to me.

Also realize that the type r cams were designed with a certain power level in mind, and most likely perform the best inside of that window.

and as far as those turbo graphs that bbka posted, i can almost guarantee with 100% accuracy that if they had bigger cams and/or properly designed cams to go with the engine setup, they would make more power. I guess its a tribute to OEM Honda engineering?

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it also depends on what kind of build you are doing. If you are going to do a crazy build, then having mild cams would not be a smart choice. but if it is just a mild street build, then these cams would be a smart, reliable choice...

 

184/132 on the mustang dyno from this year's ITR expo.

That particular dyno averages 14-16% lower than the standard DynoJet 248 series.

At 14% the equivilent dynojet power is
210whp/150wtq

Specs are at my site: http://www.itrspec.com

 

Tuned for longevity, for a track car. Could go higher, but at a cost.

 

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Agree. There's different types of tunes. Like qualifying and last race of the weekend, the year etc.