I'm building a track only car. I didn't want to build a just some random car for track days in case I wanted to sell it, that way the car can hold some value, which is why I decided to build it to Honda Challenge specs.

The car is a '92 EG Hatchback. I already have a Type R motor and 5 lug swap to put on it. I'm not exactly sure what class that would put me in, but I think it might put me in H1 hybrid. Is that a class I should be shooting for or are there other classes where my car (we talking the car not the driver ) would fit better in without getting the **** kicked out of it.

I don't plan to mod the engine yet as I still have to develop better skills as a driver, pretty much all on the mod list is:

Custom Cage
replace all bushings
rear swaybar
suspension
rims and tires
and tons of safety equipment such as HANS , suit, gloves and shoes.

So is this a good idea or should i look at a different class before I start dumping in the cash

 

I thinkyour looking at HC H1 just because of the swap. Your best bet before you spend tons of money, is go through the rule book.

 

* Rule book
http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/ccr.pdf
http://www.nasaproracing.com/r...e.pdf
* Think twice about building a car for a class which is high dollar
* Think twice about building a car when there are tons of fully built cars for sale cheap

 

Where can I find "tons of build cars for sale cheap"?

And I have been reading the rules. I was wondering if it's really worth putting my car in that class.

 

Cheap... (based on what the build took and how incredible a car it is)
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1329336
cheaper...(entry level)
http://www.nasaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=5879
cheapest... (entry level)
http://www.nasaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=5974

 

For starters: https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1329336

http://www.improvedtouring.com...0Cars
* GAC GSR : 13k
* Ton of H4 CRXs 7-10k

http://www.grassrootsmotorspor...fieds/

 

Even an H4 car isnt cheap to build. I'm going to have $15k into mine by the time the end of winter rolls around and it should be a pretty solid, able to run up front in H4 with a good driver. I dont think I am there yet, but I'm working on that one.

Now, you'll probably tell me that you can spend $15k on your hybrid and go faster - and I'll tell you that it needs a **** ton of work, and you'll spend a lot more over the course of the next year fixing busted **** and re-doing things that you did wrong up front, at significant cost.

 

^
Those guys are right. H1 is a difficult/ expensive place to learn.

Looking for a race ready H5 1987 CRX si... let me know.

Full H-T H5 for sale ad coming soon if current buyer doesn't pan out.


John- who can't be Franza's "wing-man" from the back of the pack.

 

Here you go!

http://it2.evaluand.com/recipe.php

K

 

You can buy Karl's H3 GSR for far less than what it would take you to even get started on a reasonably competitive H1 car.

Remember that racecar resale value is crap, unless its a championship car, then its just a little less crap.
If you spend $15K to build a half-assed H1 car, you'd be lucky to get $8K for it one year later.

Buy someone elses loss. Karl has well over $20K in his GSR and is selling it for $9K.

Building, right now, is only for people who just can't find enough ways to spend all their money. Its such a sellers market right now building borders on insanity.

 

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*raises hand*

Hi, my name is Ryan and I'm an idiot.

&lt;group&gt; Hi, ryan! &lt;/group&gt;

 

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Hi, my name is Ryan and I'm an idiot.

&lt;group&gt; Hi, ryan! &lt;/group&gt;</TD></TR></TABLE>

You are among the now countless people with whom I've had this conversation.

Me: "Why don't you just buy my car for 9K? It's got a $2000 cage in it, $1500 worth of custom shocks, countless spares, a LSD, something like 4 sets of wheels, lots of other stuff, and could be yours tomorrow. For nine thousand dollars."

Anyone else: "Yeah, I know. I should buy your car." (and then none of you ever do)

Sigh...

 

I tried to tell .RJ to buy your car last year, and make the necessary changes to make it H4 legal, but you just can't get through to a Go Fast Crack *****.

If I wasn't still focused on autocross (read: broke) I'd buy it, except your buddy Giles has convinced me that ITC is the way to go.

 

Oh believe me, if you're cash strapped AND don't have a need to go 130 at the end of the back straight, ITC is THE way to go. Why do you think I'm driving Scott's car this year, and my own $30K-invested Integra sits in the garage?

Somewhat OT: you should see the in-car from Scott's sprint race at Road Atlanta a couple weeks ago. I know he posted clips, but the whole thing is just sick.

 

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... other then its busted ya mean?

 

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Start here: http://www.tankslapperautospor...id=14

This will link you to the rule books for most major US racing series, so you can try to build a car for more than one series.

Matt

 

I like the CRX posted by leadfoot321 is really nice, but after seeing how he built it, it really makes me want to build my own.

It just seems like fun, (famous last words).

 

Oh, one thing you guys should know is that I'm not going to be racing out the box. I'm going to be doing HPDE track days as soon as the car is safe and running. Then slowly building after that.

 

I think you can easily get caught up in the "seems like fun" and lose sight of what the fun part is. Strikes me that a lot of folks that go down this path begin down an H1 path and either stay on that track until they put the car up for sale (prior to or at core complete) OR they bail on the motor at the end of the trail and end up w/ pretty much the same thing they could have bought for far less than they spent building.

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What are you thinking the value is of this? In essence, you will be learning how to drive on a track on the incredible floating target. If it were me and I felt I needed to work my way up to building a race car, there is NO WAY I would try to build - there are so many ways to spend the same money 5 times over because you don't know what you want yet.

Save yourself a lot of time and energry and buy a built car and run it from the start. You want to work you way up, disconnect a sway bar or run Toyos. With a stable platform, you will have a much better idea of how YOU are improving (having essentially a street car w/ bolt-ons - with the intention of racing - will just leave you a metric ton of excuses and you will have so much less of an idea of where you stand).

And buying a built car off the bat does NOT mean you don't get to add your two cents worth eventually. In the long run, you will hopefully still out grow whats on the car. At that point, your knowledge and concept of what you need to go faster will be the best tools to allow you to purchase the right parts ONCE. And now, you will have a pretty damned good set of "backup" parts that came off the car.

 

Thanks for the input. I havn't yet started building, so I can still sell what I have if I see a good car out there. I really want the EG chassis though.

I'm not a complete newb at going out to the track. I have done events in my ITR. I have been told several times by my instructor that I have real potential. I havn't really pushed my car because I have always been afraid of doing some damage. So that's why I decided to build a track only car, and my R is going back to stock.

I really like the way my Type R handles, it's responsive and predictable. I know it well and feel comfortable. I would like a track car like that but I don't have the budget for a DC2 or DC2R chassis which is why I chose the EG. The EG has basically the same suspension as the DC2, which can allow me to get close to a Type R. That is where I stand now. As far as which class and everything I have no idea. I have been reading the rules and everything, but I have a B18C5 on a pallet in my warehouse that I want in the car, that is what puts me in H1. I don't know if I'm actually going to be doing real races with the car, but I also don't want to build something that I can't race if I ever did.

So I guess in reality I have to narrow my choices down as it seems, but I am on the lookout for other alternatives. I'm not grounded or comitted to anything right now.

 

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Did your instructor say that you'd have even more potential if he could drive you car too, and that he had to go wheel to wheel with other HPDE cars?

Anyway, all joking aside, it seems like you definitely on the right track as far as willingness to learn, and that is a definite plus. It all comes down to do you want to spend time working on a car, or driving one?

 

Another perfect example why not to build the car you "want" is this right here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...15289

That car has been on eBay forever. $4400 seems like a steal until you consider that it isn't competitive in anything. The guy's reasoning for building it?

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The car is a legal SCCA Improved Touring S (ITS) ? James Weyand



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Yes. I built the car for ITS. Since it is a MR, stylish and something you will not see in ITS.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The guy wasted $15,000 to have a "stylish" ITS car. There is a reason why no one else runs one of those, and it is because it isn't competitive.

Don't be that guy.

 

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If you want to build a race car for "fun" then you will quickly lose motivation. Very quickly. Its a lot of work and a lot of things and additional expense that you just dont think about up front and will quickly breed frustration.

I'm not saying you have to buy. But it is alot easier to do that way - especially if you dont have any direction other than you want to race eventually... I dont think the EG hatch will handle just like the ITR, if you want that then buy another DC2. Like Karl's Integra....

 

An issue that these conversations often dance around is the "I don't actually HAVE $9K to buy Karl's car" syndrome.

If you are thinking that you can "build it as you go" - that you can spend $10,000 in small chunks rather than all at once - then you are setting yourself up for the most common mode of disappointment available in this game.

We all have our own motivations, we all make mistakes because we give in to them, and they CAN be avoided. IGGY is showing all of the symptoms of not being able to, however.

K

 

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Well, if you want to go racing you likely have to give up some other toy - like selling the pimpy ITR street car. I did, and dont regret it.

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Right, because the end total is significantly more than $10k......

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I suppose thats my problem too. At least I did it because I knew what I wanted to build.