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Old Jul 31, 2005 | 04:33 PM
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Excuse my ignorance for i am new to the Honda tech forum. I have been reading it for the last few months but this is my first post. I just bought a 94 honda civic with a b16a2 swap. It was running really rich when i first bought it. I took it to get it dyno tuned at ISA in Tacoma, WA. It was tuned with B&M FPR and VAFC. I know VAFC . Here are the results-

Here is a list of my mods
-99 B16A2
-Aem Short Ram
-Espelir Full cat back exhaust
-CTR cams
-Revhard titanium valves, valve springs, and dual retainers
-Toda timing belt
-Clutchnet Stage 2 6 puck clutch
-SRR cam gears
-GSR full radiator
-Walbro 190 Fuel Pump
-VAFC
-Kenji chipped P28 (Type R program)
-B&M FPR with gauge
-NGK sparks plugs

My first question is does my A/F Ratios look right?
Are these good numbers for my mods or not?
Do you think it needs more tunning?


Alright here is the movie. Sorry im a newb at webpages it should work. Hopefully
http://home.comcast.net/~dirtfall/Untitled.mpg Modified by Dirtfall at 3:02 AM 8/30/2005


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Old Jul 31, 2005 | 04:52 PM
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That too me seems a little low ....
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Old Jul 31, 2005 | 04:58 PM
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Wow, that seems way low. And less than a 100 ft lbs. Is that normal? and you dyno'ed a 70degrees F. B16 160hp to the crank stock. That thing may need a major tune up.
What are the cam gears set too?
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Old Jul 31, 2005 | 05:00 PM
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the cam gears are both set at 0 degrees
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Old Jul 31, 2005 | 07:18 PM
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Do you have the Valve timing correct?
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Old Jul 31, 2005 | 10:22 PM
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yea they fixed that
i dont know if my A/F is right or not cause i dont know what its supposed to be at. shouldnt i still be making power past 7800 rpms?
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Old Jul 31, 2005 | 10:56 PM
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those tq numbers are too low in my opinion....so u need to get that tuned
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Old Aug 1, 2005 | 10:13 PM
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Hey guys i think i know what the problem might be. Me and my friend were talking tonight and everytime i hit vtec or give it some gas i shoot smoke. I lose oil like mother f@#^&*. So we think my piston rings might be bad causing me to loose compression. Does this sound like it could be the problem.
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Old Aug 1, 2005 | 10:18 PM
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possibly.. low compression == less power (unless of course your boosting it lol)

anyways, get a compression test done.. make sure ur #'s are no more then 5psi from eachother..
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Old Aug 1, 2005 | 10:57 PM
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How much does a compression test cost anyways?
Where would i go to get it done?
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Old Aug 1, 2005 | 10:59 PM
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You can get the tool from harbor frieght or autozone for a few bucks. Its easy to do.

http://www.tooled-up.com/artwo...2.jpg
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Old Aug 2, 2005 | 05:28 PM
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Hey guys im almost positive my piston rings are bad. I'm just wondering where i can get new piston rings for my stock b16 pistons. What size and what brand should i get. Any links to reputable sights would help greatly.
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Old Aug 4, 2005 | 01:42 PM
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honda dealership
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Old Aug 4, 2005 | 01:49 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dirtfall &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It was tuned with B&M FPR and VAFC. I know VAFC . Here are the results-</TD></TR></TABLE>
Whats wrong with an AFC?
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Old Aug 5, 2005 | 02:30 AM
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the dyno reads whp not motor that sounds about right turbo it
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Old Aug 5, 2005 | 02:36 AM
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get some sort of better fuel management and i bet you could squeeze out more power. is ISA that place thats next door to turbo technologies?

as far as the A/F is concern i think you could lean it out a bit. even down low its way too rich imo.
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Old Aug 5, 2005 | 04:41 AM
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I don't know but that seems pretty close to what a b16 puts out to me... Maybe the tq is a little low but the whp seems about right... Looks way rich in the lower rpms as well. Shouldn'tbe dropping below 13-13.5 down low that would be border line rich even. Some of your AF's look like they were setup for a boosted car....
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Old Aug 5, 2005 | 04:47 AM
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also, those lines look a bit jagged too which is a sign of cyllinder misfire.
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Old Aug 5, 2005 | 05:32 AM
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What kind of NGK plugs are they? What temperature are they?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AzntaggeR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">also, those lines look a bit jagged too which is a sign of cyllinder misfire.</TD></TR></TABLE>

A very good possibility. Get that compression checked out soon.
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Old Aug 5, 2005 | 05:40 AM
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That seems low to me.

I dyno'd my Civic Ex with AEM CAI and got...

112 hp, 101 tq.

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Old Aug 5, 2005 | 05:46 AM
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That seems low too. Especially since he has CTR cams.

How much do compression testers cost?
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Old Aug 5, 2005 | 07:28 AM
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man that low i think the problem is the tuner he doesnt knoe how to tune cars
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Old Aug 22, 2005 | 05:01 AM
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Yea um when i bought the car i figured that since the spark plugs had just been replaced there was no need to gap them. But for ***** and giggles when i was home from college last weekend i pulled my spark plugs and checked the gaps. They were at 1.32mm. So i regaped them to .35mm and it runs SOOO much better. Yea ISA is next to turbo technology. I really wasnt impressed with their tuning. They really didnt do much and charged me alot of money.
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Old Aug 23, 2005 | 06:26 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by louiejeff &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">man that low i think the problem is the tuner he doesnt knoe how to tune cars </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah would wouldnt know jack **** about tuning so shut your mouth. Give him cold hard facts not bullshit that you "believe" to be right.

As your your graphs bro, after 5000rpm's, you are having some serious issues in your cylinders. Did you do your new plugs before or after? Spark plugs are harder to fire with a dense air fuel mixture in the cylinder as compared to idle, and this could account for your zig zagged map. Let us know what you find.
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Old Aug 28, 2005 | 10:18 PM
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i did the spark plugs after the tunning and it feels alot better.
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