has anyone use 200+ shot nitrous on 300+ turbo motors before?????

 

paul walker

 

anyone else?????

 

lol, that was a good one. i friend of mine his name is teamhri on here was making around 500hp on boost and had a 130 shot direct port and a 70-80 shot single fogger on it. ran great with the direct port, but blew up on both stages....then again he was on fmu and no engine management. car still went 10.60@138

 

bro jsut turn the boost up on it......who tuned it? there are VERY few well done cars in Fresno

 

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or what most turbo and nitrous guys do, lower boost and add the spray. There was an evo or something in a recent turbo mag in the 9's I belive that they did the same thing...ran lower boost when spaying.

200shot on a 300+ whp setup is to vauge to get real answers. can your 300+ whp setup actually take a 200 shot without exploding? Start adding high amounts of spray to a boosted set up = better have a good tuner that you can trust and a pretty decent build.

 

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or what most turbo and nitrous guys do, lower boost and add the spray. There was an evo or something in a recent turbo mag in the 9's I belive that they did the same thing...ran lower boost when spaying.

200shot on a 300+ whp setup is to vauge to get real answers. can your 300+ whp setup actually take a 200 shot without exploding? Start adding high amounts of spray to a boosted set up = better have a good tuner that you can trust and a pretty decent build. </TD></TR></TABLE>

yes that is very tru....
but i still jsut say up the boost instead of NOS... y go thru the headache of running everythign etc more shyt to worry about going wrong

 

yes, i know exactly what you mean. I personally would stay away from the bottle if it is already turbo'd. Turn up the boost and if it isn't good enough then add the juice. boost is more forgiving then that damn gas

 

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tell me bout it NOS is the shyt but if it aint right BOOM!!!

 

I was thinking about doing both, but decided on alchohol injection instead. Both is too much of a pain for me!

 

Nitrous doesn't blow up motors, heat and torque does.

Ok so he wants a 200 shot, can your engine handle it ?what have you had done to your motor? Domestic V8's do this without a problem I dont know why a turbo Honda cant.

 

its simple why bother if its a 300hp motor on boost.....if it isnt built forget about it
if it is which i think it is just turn up the boost kuz it isnt running that much if its only in the 300hp catagory

 

200 shot? Forget it. I wouldn't bullshit with trying to tune that, and I wouldn't trust anyone to try and tune it either.

My roommate has built and raced 38 different cars now, and the only two motors he ever blew were from nitrous.

Besides, how do you get traction when a 200 shot kicks in? You would just do a burnout mid run when you are half-way down the track.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EnzoSpeed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">200 shot? Forget it. I wouldn't bullshit with trying to tune that, and I wouldn't trust anyone to try and tune it either.

My roommate has built and raced 38 different cars now, and the only two motors he ever blew were from nitrous.

Besides, how do you get traction when a 200 shot kicks in? You would just do a burnout mid run when you are half-way down the track.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well your roomate is a shitty nitrous tuner.

If you dont know how to put 400 HP down dont turbo a Honda. There's plenty of cars here peaking way past this number.

 

WTF are you talking about? Yeah, lots of people put down 400hp, including me. But my turbo takes time to spool, it doesn't suddenly click on like nitrous.

And I don't care who your tuner is, there just isn't a way to get a reliable tune with a big turbo and big shot of nitrous. There is a very small tuning window and variables such as climate and fuel quality will lead straight to detonation.

 

NITRIOUS DOESN'T BLOW **** UP IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR DOING WITH IT.


the tuner is what blows a motor up.....


harv

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EnzoSpeed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">WTF are you talking about? Yeah, lots of people put down 400hp, including me. But my turbo takes time to spool, it doesn't suddenly click on like nitrous.

Its were you enage it, if your stupid enough to do it that low...

And I don't care who your tuner is, there just isn't a way to get a reliable tune with a big turbo and big shot of nitrous. There is a very small tuning window and variables such as climate and fuel quality will lead straight to detonation.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You have no clue what your're talking about, first off, nitrous cools the intake charge what detenation? second, 200shot is a race gas only thing.

Nitrous doesn't blow up motors.

 

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You have no clue what your're talking about, first off, nitrous cools the intake charge what detenation?

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Maybe I should show you a picture of the melted J.E. pistons in my garage that came out of my roomies camaro.

 

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Thats a tuning error.

http://www.phasechangeracing.com there are people on here on boost using n2o including a nitrous tuner thats been doing this for a while, he even runs a 100shot on his daytona turbo.

 

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Go to ANY big domestic race, and see how many nitrous cars are swapping out burnt pistons. It's 5:1 for the nitrous cars vs. the turbo and blower cars, and the turbo/blower cars outnumber the juice cars at a lot of events. Nitrous is the hardest power adder in terms of stress on motor parts, end of story.

Yes, nitrous cools down your IAT's, but that only tells you half the story. A 200 shot can be worth 20-30 degrees of air temp reduction, depending on what kind of intercooling you're using (air/water, or air/air) as well as how efficient your turbo is, but a much bigger factor is the cylinder pressures created by the juice. If nitrous didn't cause detonation you wouldn't have the need for additional octane, reduced timing, or colder spark plugs.

My opinion? If you're trying to make up for too small of a turbo, you're **** outta luck. Nitrous doesn't place any additional intake side requirements for airflow of the motor, but you're creating a lot more exhaust energy that has to get out of the motor, and if you're running an undersized turbine with a marginally sized wastegate there isn't anything you can do to stop all that energy causing the turbo to overspool. Just get a properly sized turbo, or if you still want more power put a small shot of nitrous on it. I personally wouldn't push past 75-100 horsepower on a FWD honda. If you want more than that, move up to a properly sized turbo.

 

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You have no clue what your're talking about, first off, nitrous cools the intake charge what detenation? second, 200shot is a race gas only thing.

Nitrous doesn't blow up motors.</TD></TR></TABLE>

well get the ratios out of wack and see where the detenation comes from.200 race gas only........i have a car that can proove you wrong on that......it's all about the fuel and nitrious ratio's.also one does not need to pull as much timing as one would think either."LEARN TO READ YOUR PLUGS" that will tell it all.

harv

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b16sedan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Go to ANY big domestic race, and see how many nitrous cars are swapping out burnt pistons. It's 5:1 for the nitrous cars vs. the turbo and blower cars, and the turbo/blower cars outnumber the juice cars at a lot of events. Nitrous is the hardest power adder in terms of stress on motor parts, end of story.

You must be talking about carbuerated motors running lean ratios, you wanna talk about stress? Well theres the point to building a motor ! I know a friend building an 8 liter camero thats full of gas, he should be able to explain this alot better than you or me, when he chimes in

Yes, nitrous cools down your IAT's, but that only tells you half the story. A 200 shot can be worth 20-30 degrees of air temp reduction, depending on what kind of intercooling you're using (air/water, or air/air) as well as how efficient your turbo is, but a much bigger factor is the cylinder pressures created by the juice. If nitrous didn't cause detonation you wouldn't have the need for additional octane, reduced timing, or colder spark plugs.

Theres a supplement of air so its only natural to reduce timing, jump to colder plugs as well as higher octane gas to eliminate detenation . You have to do this with FI also so whats your point?

Running a lean nitrous ratios causes hot spots but why are you running too lean, R&D for yourself to find engine limits?, using an EFI system allow a more precise tune but of course with such a power gain from using turbo/nitrous/supercharger when is it ever smart to run lean?


My opinion? If you're trying to make up for too small of a turbo, you're **** outta luck. Nitrous doesn't place any additional intake side requirements for airflow of the motor, but you're creating a lot more exhaust energy that has to get out of the motor, and if you're running an undersized turbine with a marginally sized wastegate there isn't anything you can do to stop all that energy causing the turbo to overspool. Just get a properly sized turbo, or if you still want more power put a small shot of nitrous on it. I personally wouldn't push past 75-100 horsepower on a FWD honda. If you want more than that, move up to a properly sized turbo.

You must mean going off the right side of the map well you want to stop spraying before you reach this point here's where turbo calculations from airflow come in

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Modified by MidShipCivic at 6:19 PM 7/31/2005

 

"Go to ANY big domestic race, and see how many nitrous cars are swapping out burnt pistons. It's 5:1 for the nitrous cars vs. the turbo and blower cars, and the turbo/blower cars outnumber the juice cars at a lot of events. Nitrous is the hardest power adder in terms of stress on motor parts, end of story."

Please name the events/tracks you have seen this (in person) at???? The only people I have ever seen at the track swapping pistons are the top fuel guys and occasionally one of the top alcohol cars. Basically what im saying is that 90% of the pistons swapped at the track are from blown nitromethane and blown alcohol cars. Any of these guys killing pistons that are under the 2000HP limit simply screwed up on the tune, plain and simple.

 

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Geez, you are such a tool. You act like nitrous doesn't cause detonation, then, when the other guy tells you it does, you say "what's your point?"

That's the problem with H-T - people like you start arguing just for the hell of it.

 

use hondata's nitrous control..run a wet direct-port system and i wouldn't go over 100 shot...some peeps i know only use n2o on the bottom end before boost..but they also have alot of money in settin up traction....TUNING is so so important.....good luck and don't pay attention to the haters