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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 10:07 PM
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my motor has a weird issue, and i was wondering if anyone has any experience with something like this:

setup is a d16z6, ob1, in an 89 hatch. only mod is an apexi gt-spec header.

after the swap, the car ran like *** with a stock p28. there was very little power under 2000 rpm and it bogged like crazy. eventually, after driving at low rpms it would throw a code 1 for oxygen sensor (probably from running to rich or i dont even know what).
additionally, the car had a hunting idle when warming up, which i attributed to a faulty iacv.

running out of ideas to fix the bogging issue, a friend suggested trying a different ecu. i tried using a complety virgin p28, with the warranty sticker on it. i tried using an ecu from a non-vtec ob1 sohc motor...p06 or p05 im not sure which. then we tried my friends del sol s ecu chipped with an ls map for his motor (WrongWD on h-t). suddenly, the car ran fine. no bogging under low rpms, free revving, everything except vtec (which was to be expected, its an LS map). so we chipped my p28 that wasnt working before, and put a gsr map on it (so it has vtec, and then lowered rev limits and such for the poor little SOHC ).
now, the car runs fine. there is no more bogging, the searching idle at warm -up is gone, and the car moves pretty well. it smells a little rich, and i have yet to check my new gas mileage, but thats not a big worry of mine.

so my question is:
what could cause what i thought was an internally stock d16z6 to run shitty with a virgin p28 and run fine with a map desinged for a b18?

even if it had some amount of building, would it need that much fuel?
or am i majorly trippin?
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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 11:00 PM
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ummmmm dunno...maybe someone put b series injectors on the z6
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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 11:20 PM
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are they a different size? plus, they cant be that much different, can they?

EDIT:
just been informed that all obd1 injectors are 240cc cept itr (280cc)

so its not the injectors...
anyone else have any theories?
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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 11:23 PM
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you trippin', ho.
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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 11:37 PM
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oh cool, didnt know that..oh well no idea thennn
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Old Jul 22, 2005 | 12:01 PM
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try unplugging the vtec solenoid. if for some reason vtec is engaging at low rpm, it will make the car run like **** and have a hunting idle.
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Old Jul 22, 2005 | 01:30 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GOLDBERG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ummmmm dunno...maybe someone put b series injectors on the z6 </TD></TR></TABLE>

Z6 uses 240's, so thats not an option.
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Old Jul 24, 2005 | 04:10 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MatHadder &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">try unplugging the vtec solenoid. if for some reason vtec is engaging at low rpm, it will make the car run like **** and have a hunting idle. </TD></TR></TABLE>

well i can hear vtec crossover at about 5000, which is what it is set at in the ecu.
also, we tried running the car with a stock non-vtec SOHC ecu, and it still ran the same way. so i dont think its the vtec solenoid.

anyone else have a clue?
could heavy internal modification make a motor do this ?
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Old Jul 25, 2005 | 08:33 AM
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well, you could put the p28 back in and let it idle for a while and then pull the spark plugs and see if they look like it was running rich or lean.
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Old Jul 25, 2005 | 08:58 AM
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im pretty sure it was running super rich before....exhaust was really gas-smelling and such.
perhaps it was not the fuel that was screwy, but the ignition?
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Old Jul 25, 2005 | 02:52 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ecovillain &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">are they a different size? plus, they cant be that much different, can they?

EDIT:
just been informed that all obd1 injectors are 240cc cept itr (280cc)

so its not the injectors...
anyone else have any theories?</TD></TR></TABLE>

i'm pretty sure ITR injectors are 240cc's too.
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Old Jul 25, 2005 | 03:10 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by zer0-psi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

i'm pretty sure ITR injectors are 240cc's too.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes, they are.
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Old Jul 26, 2005 | 01:38 AM
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aiight..so all injectors are the same...so its not that.

what else could it be?
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