Hey guys, So much to the dissmay of my family and girlfriend I am about to embark on my all-motor build for my 98 dx sedan. Anyways,Its pretty much gonna be a complete b16 build,only thing the head is from one car and the block is from another. Anyways,enough of the boring crap.

The setup is as follows...

-Head-
crower stg 2 cams
portflow dual spring valve springs
portflow titanium retainers
skunk 2 cam gears
blox or skunk 2 intake mani
password jdm whale *****(might go w/ AEM cai though)
dc sports 4-1 2.5'' header
full 2.5'' piping(gonna need a good cat)
es oval
-Block-(the boring part)
CTR pistons
Exedy stage 2 clutch
(insert here) lightweight flywheel

Oh yeah,all new OEM honda bearings also...

Now my questions are...
What is required to run ctr pistons on stock rods?
Would it be a good idea to run stock rods if Im looking to go over 200whp?
Is anyone runnin over 200whp w/ their stock rods?
ANY other suggestions are appreciated.

oh yeah,I plan to have it Tuned by Jeff Evans using Neptune...


Thanks guys..

..adam..

 

might want to look into an RSR EXMag cat back, since you are in the market for that ES over Im assuming you want somethig that flows well but is quiet. thats exactly what the RSR does.... and it looks better IMO.

 

I've heard that exhaust before,Just curious as to which I would run on my 98 SEDAN w/ B16 swap.
Anyone know?


..adam..

 

Run the EX-mag or a Twin-loop exhaust. I herd the OBX twin loop does a good job keepin **** quiet and they are cheaper than the EXmag.

 

i have alomst the same exact setup as you...... i heard that for using ctr's in a b16 u need to shave 1mm off of the top of the rod. if anyone else agrees/disagrees, chime in. i think w/ that setup u won't reach 200whp, neither will i, but i would recommend shot-peening the rods. i havent done it yet, but that's just my .02 cents. how far along are you in the build?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Lekz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Run the EX-mag or a Twin-loop exhaust. I herd the OBX twin loop does a good job keepin **** quiet and they are cheaper than the EXmag. </TD></TR></TABLE>

how much cheaper? I paid 320 for mine.

 

im doing the same thing as you are but with different cams. To use CTR pistons 1 mm needs to be shaved off the wrist pin area of the rod. My stuff is done at the machine shop, but im taking summer school so its still sitting there. After i'm done im going to be assembling the block. And you probably won't hit 200, but shotpeening is always a good idea. Good luck with ur setup

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Carbonyl &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im doing the same thing as you are but with different cams. To use CTR pistons 1 mm needs to be shaved off the wrist pin area of the rod. My stuff is done at the machine shop, but im taking summer school so its still sitting there. After i'm done im going to be assembling the block. And you probably won't hit 200, but shotpeening is always a good idea. Good luck with ur setup </TD></TR></TABLE>
im not sure but for some reason this sounds right^^^! but anyways your setup sounds pretty sweet when you get done post up some numbers and times!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B16EKruger &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i heard that for using ctr's in a b16 u need to shave 1mm off of the top of the rod.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You heard correct.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Carbonyl &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you probably won't hit 200 </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah, I'd guess mid 180's or so.

B16's are hard to make power on simply because it's so darn small. I'm been screwing around with a 1.6 liter for a while now, and I've just recently realized that if I honestly want that 200whp mark, the easiest way for me to achieve that is with a 1.8 liter motor.

That, sir, is why I'm going 1.85 liter LSVTEC.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by D-Rob &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
B16's are hard to make power on simply because it's so darn small. I'm been screwing around with a 1.6 liter for a while now, and I've just recently realized that if I honestly want that 200whp mark, the easiest way for me to achieve that is with a 1.8 liter motor. </TD></TR></TABLE>

very true.......or u can stroke the **** out of it and run high compresion.....eventually turning the mighty b16 into a monster compared to other b16's

 

I was actually looking @ the mugen twin loop but forgot about it somehow. I'll have to check out the obx.

As far as how far along am I? I pick up the head from my buddy tomorrow. Still waiting for my other buddy to get back to me on the block,then the fun begins(damn bills...and women).

What tranny is everyone running?


..adam..

 

the mugen is only an axle back... for 500 bucks. its 900 if you want the entire cat-back system. jut get either a Stealth System or an RSR EX-MAG

 

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very true.......or u can stroke the **** out of it and run high compresion.....eventually turning the mighty b16 into a monster compared to other b16's</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well, not really. It's hard to stroke a B16 because of it's deck height. It's slightly shorter than the B18, so when you stuff a larger crank in one of those blocks, you need to do one of two things:

A.) Get custom-length rods
or
B.) Get pistons that have the wristpin location moved up, like the Tech43 kit.

 

I don't want to curb your enthusiasm, but you are going to have a hard time reaching 200whp in a b16a with that set-up. 200whp is a big number--its like 230-235 crank hp. You definately will have a good, fun setup -- it just seems a bit mild to reach 200whp. Have fun though!!!

 

Also, get rid of that garbage header and get a real header--any of the good ones AN-R, Hytech, SMSP etc..

 

That setup as I read it right now... 160whp is my estimate. All motor builds are all about air flow. You will have to Port & Polish the head, larger TB, larger injectors, and a test pipe instaed of a high-flo catalyst if you want to even come neer 200whp.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by oni3 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That setup as I read it right now... 160whp is my estimate. All motor builds are all about air flow. You will have to Port & Polish the head, larger TB, larger injectors, and a test pipe instaed of a high-flo catalyst if you want to even come neer 200whp.</TD></TR></TABLE>

CTR pistons and Crower 2's should net more than 160whp.

I make 164whp with a stock bottom end, stock compression on only Skunk2 Stage 1's.

 

thats what i figured. With CTR pistons, the compression should be 11.7 and with crower stage 2 cams, will make some nice horsepower. Granted it would be more advantageous with a port and polish, larger throttle body, andtest pipe, but it should make about 180ish

and im using an SI tranny with ACT 4 puck clutch and ACT 12 lb flywheel

 

only 160? umm..ok

Anyways,I will run a test pipe,only reason I put highflow cat was for inspection. Anyways,I will go w/ a bigger throttle body,injectors,etc. Just didnt mention EVERYTHING.

I did say I want to hit 200,but I know It will take more than what is listed...


...adam...

 

Well I made 162whp with ctr pistons, i/h/e, skunk2 intake manifold so you could probably hit some high numbers with your setup.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by d16dcoe45 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also, get rid of that garbage header and get a real header--any of the good ones AN-R, Hytech, SMSP etc..</TD></TR></TABLE>

Get your head work done also. You already got every thing else. Let that baby breath.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by D-Rob &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well, not really. It's hard to stroke a B16 because of it's deck height. It's slightly shorter than the B18, so when you stuff a larger crank in one of those blocks, you need to do one of two things:

A.) Get custom-length rods
or
B.) Get pistons that have the wristpin location moved up, like the Tech43 kit.</TD></TR></TABLE>


true
i was thinking more along the lines of bored+stroked
my fault....i should of elaborated