I have an 89 Civic hatch with KYB AGXs, and GC with 350lb/in front and 250lb/in rear. I also have a stock DX front sway bar (18mm) and a Progress rear (23mm) full prothane bushings. I am thinking of going to something a bit stiffer--say 400 f , 450 rear. If I did this would it be worth it to get Konis? I have heard the AGXs can handle up to 500 but they are at their limit. Also, how do konis/GC compare to the omni susp? I notice many people (who are knowledgable about handling) run koni shocks, so I figured there must be a reason, thanks.

 

kyb's are better

 

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I'd have to go ahead and disagree.

You will find a lot of the RR/auto-xers using the Koni Sports and the GCs with custom rates, and its with good reason. Its a setup thats been proven over and over again, Eibach springs (enough said), paired with the Koni shocks is a pretty hard to beat setup as far as price and most certainly performance and reliability/longevety. Along with choosing your own rates, any # of Eibach helper and tender springs, the Konis can be rebuilt, revalved and shortened to withstand much higher rates and are 5 way adj (dont even get into why you dont need 129 gajillion way shocks). (adressing both the KYB and Omni points)

I personally wont touch Omni or Tein.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KOALA YUMMIES &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'd have to go ahead and disagree.

You will find a lot of the RR/auto-xers using the Koni Sports and the GCs with custom rates, and its with good reason. Its a setup thats been proven over and over again, Eibach springs (enough said), paired with the Koni shocks is a pretty hard to beat setup as far as price and most certainly performance and reliability/longevety. Along with choosing your own rates, any # of Eibach helper and tender springs, the Konis can be rebuilt, revalved and shortened to withstand much higher rates and are 5 way adj (dont even get into why you dont need 129 gajillion way shocks). (adressing both the KYB and Omni points)

I personally wont touch Omni or Tein. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Just FYI: koni yellows are not '5 way' adjustable, as they have no clicks. they're 1 3/4 turns from full soft to full stiff, and you can stop anywhere in between, so technically they're infinitely adjustable.


oh yeah, they're badass too.

to the guy who said kyb's are better.... why do you say that?

 

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Just FYI: koni yellows are not '5 way' adjustable, as they have no clicks. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Maybe he was thinking of Illuminas?

 

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Regular Koni Yellow are also close to the limit at 500#. The SPSS valving of the Koni are probably good for around 800#.

There isn't anything wrong with having KYB AGX. Since you already have them and you are staying under 500#, I would try to stick with them and see how it goes. If you blow the rears, then consider the SPSS valving of the Koni, but remember that out of the box Koni Yellow will probably also blow if you blew the KYB.

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The Omnipower suspension is a no-brainer insexpensive setup that is very much worth what it costs, but it's not the most adjustable thing out there, and remember that even if we can say that it's worth the money it is still an inexpensive suspension setup that will have its limits as far as ultimate adjustability and ultimate handling.

If this is a street car, or occasionally tracked, I'm sure you'll be fine w/the Omnipower, but just remember that you're making a conscious cost-saving decision.

The Koni/GC combination is probably a leg up on the Omnipower if you intend to track your car. This is because the Koni are easy to send out for revalving or rebuilding, and it's not expensive. You can also very easily find different spring rates to swap out, and it's easy to try all kinds of different heights and spring weights with the Koni/GC. Just remember that out of the box Koni Yellow do have their limits.

If your car is a time consuming hobby and you don't mind fiddling with it as you zero in on what you want, and/or your car is more heavily tracked because you're learning how to drive well, then I think you will be happier in the long run with the Koni/GC setup.

Remember that out of the box Koni Yellow are pretty much full travel dampers designed for street cars. If you lower your car too much, you can also cause a problem that way, and you should consider shortened travel dampers designed specifically for performance applications.