Hey, I'm just wondering what is involved in putting a B16A2/B16A3/B16A SIR II into an LX sedan.

I'd probably be using a 99-00 civic Si engine.

Is the hydraulic clutch the only significant difference between that and the 1st gen B16A? How painful is the hydro conversion?




Modified by Grievre at 9:22 PM 7/20/2005

 

the easiest way is to get an xsi swap. i have a 92 xsi swap which is the second gen engine with a ys1 cable transmition. no expensive hasport hydro mounts needed.

the hydro conversion shouldn't be too difficult, but will cost you.

 

Can't do that, XSI is JDM-only.

 

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the sir you listed is jdm as well.

if you want to have a hydrolic trans. then check out the hasport website, they make the conversion kit that you will need. with that kit, you shouldn't have any problems.

http://hasport.com/Products/Mo...2.htm

 

What? No, the 1999-2000 Civic Si is not JDM-only

 

Ok....WTF are you talking about? 99-05 Civic Engine? 99 civic Si's had B16's yes, but 05's had K series engines so I dunno wth you're talking about there.

Second, What the hell is this "JDM only/Not JDM only crap you're saying?

I'm going to go ahead and Assume you want to drop in a B16A SiR II. Which is OBD1. First of all you need to convert your Civic to MPFI since its DPFI, then after that, convert the car to OBD1. (this is one of the bigger differences between the 1st gen and 2nd gen B16's, 1st gens are OBD0, 2nd gens are OBD1)

If you wanna use the Hydro tranny, you need the Hydro B-Series mount kit that Hasport sells. If you want to use a Cable tranny, use the Cable B-Series mount kit. etc. etc....

Why the hell am I even explaining this? Theres a zillion topics on this if you click Search, and search the archives in the Civic/CRX forums for something along the lines of "B16 Swap" or even just "Swap".

 

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Ok....WTF are you talking about? 99-05 Civic Engine? 99 civic Si's had B16's yes, but 05's had K series engines so I dunno wth you're talking about there.</TD></TR></TABLE>I said 99-00 engines, not 99-05

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Second, What the hell is this "JDM only/Not JDM only crap you're saying? </TD></TR></TABLE>The 99-00 Civic Si and the (I think) 92-96 del sol are the only USDM cars with B16 engines

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I'm going to go ahead and Assume you want to drop in a B16A SiR II. Which is OBD1.</TD></TR></TABLE> Nope, I want a 99-00 civic Si engine <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">First of all you need to convert your Civic to MPFI since its DPFI</TD></TR></TABLE>Actually aren't LX EFs carbureted?<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> then after that, convert the car to OBD1. (this is one of the bigger differences between the 1st gen and 2nd gen B16's, 1st gens are OBD0, 2nd gens are OBD1)</TD></TR></TABLE>The one I want is OBD2 actually.

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If you wanna use the Hydro tranny, you need the Hydro B-Series mount kit that Hasport sells. If you want to use a Cable tranny, use the Cable B-Series mount kit. etc. etc....

Why the hell am I even explaining this? Theres a zillion topics on this if you click Search, and search the archives in the Civic/CRX forums for something along the lines of "B16 Swap" or even just "Swap".</TD></TR></TABLE>But all or most of them say "just use a B16A SiR if you have an EF"

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Grievre &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I said 99-00 engines, not 99-05
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Grievre &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hey, I'm just wondering what is involved in putting a B16A2/B16A3/B16A SIR II into an LX sedan.

I'd probably be using a 99-05 civic Si engine.

Is the hydraulic clutch the only significant difference between that and the 1st gen B16A? How painful is the hydro conversion?

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The 99-00 Civic Si and the (I think) 92-96 del sol are the only USDM cars with B16 engines
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Swapping the USDM B16 into an EF is the same work you'd do if you swap in the JDM one, so the information about swapping a B16 in general is the same (except for what OBD you will be using). Why is it such a big deal to get the USDM one?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Grievre &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Nope, I want a 99-00 civic Si engine Actually aren't LX EFs carbureted? The one I want is OBD2 actually.</TD></TR></TABLE>

No, 4dr LX EF's are DPFI, I have one. If you want the 99-00 Si engine, why did you list "B16A SiRII"? The B16A SiRII is a JDM motor, and is OBD1, thats what's confusing everyone about your question.

 

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</TD></TR></TABLE>Whoops, didn't check to see that I'd actually written 00 :V
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Swapping the USDM B16 into an EF is the same work you'd do if you swap in the JDM one, so the information about swapping a B16 in general is the same (except for what OBD you will be using). Why is it such a big deal to get the USDM one? </TD></TR></TABLE>Are JDM engines california certified?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No, 4dr LX EF's are DPFI, I have one. If you want the 99-00 Si engine, why did you list "B16A SiRII"? The B16A SiRII is a JDM motor, and is OBD1, thats what's confusing everyone about your question. </TD></TR></TABLE>I was asking about 2nd or 3rd gen motors in general, figuring the work was the same for all of them, then said which one I was probably using

 

I would go with a 2G motor. Unless you are going to rewire to OBDII, buying a 3G motor will require that you separately source a 1992-1995 B16A ECU. It is more economical to get the 1992-1995 motor WITH the proper ECU.

 

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Are JDM engines california certified?
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They can be, all you need is the USDM Intake manifold and exhaust manifold, and USDM ECU. I didn't think you'd worry about that since your location says NY.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ThE bEe GuY &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">They can be, all you need is the USDM Intake manifold and exhaust manifold, and USDM ECU. I didn't think you'd worry about that since your location says NY.</TD></TR></TABLE>Yeah it's not like people move or anything!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Grievre &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah it's not like people move or anything! </TD></TR></TABLE>

then stop being ******* difficult. tell us this from the get go and change your location.

 

I'm not in california YET.

Anyway, it doesn't matter if I'm in california or not as I didn't ask which engine I should use in the first place, in fact I SAID which engine I was probably using. Only one post in this thread has actually answered my question.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Grievre &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm not in california YET.

Anyway, it doesn't matter if I'm in california or not as I didn't ask which engine I should use in the first place, in fact I SAID which engine I was probably using. Only one post in this thread has actually answered my question.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Actually no, because of your "typo" you said 99-05 engine, then you said B16A2, B16A3, and B16A SiR II. Like I said before, the B16A SiR II Is a JDM engine, if you wanted to use a USDM engine, Why did you put that there in the first place? If you would have just said "I will be using a 99-00 Civic Si Engine" in your original post, half of these assumptions wouldnt even be going around in this thread.

Like I said before, All you have to do is click Search&gt;Archives&gt; then type "B16 Swap"

and you would have found posts like this
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1156008

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Grievre &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Only one post in this thread has actually answered my question.</TD></TR></TABLE>

If you want your questions answered, try to ******* clearify what the hell you want to know, then search for your damn answer, thats what the SEARCH button is for. Did you even read the "CIVIC/CRX Forum Rules https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=359086" before you posted anything here? Because if you did you would have had your answer by now, because the answer is CLICK THE SEARCH BUTTON.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ThE bEe GuY &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Like I said before, All you have to do is click Search&gt;Archives&gt; then type "B16 Swap"

and you would have found posts like this
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1156008 </TD></TR></TABLE>Which says nothing about the hydro clutch conversion because it assumes you use a 1G B16A, like every other page or topic on a swap I've seen

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Grievre &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Which says nothing about the hydro clutch conversion because it assumes you use a 1G B16A, like every other page or topic on a swap I've seen</TD></TR></TABLE>

Then type in Hydro. There's 3 pages worth of search hits for that.