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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 10:45 PM
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here's the deal, i just bought a 91 SI and it failed smog 3 times. there are NO cel's on and everything is straight stock but the headers(dc). the motor is a D16A6 w/ a PM6 ecu. i'm stuck with a perfectly good car that doesn't pass smog. i put on new wires, spark plugs, fuel filter, distributor and air filter. i also did a compression test and it's all good. anybody ever have this problem? or would know what it could be?

would it be the o2 sensor? or header? also i noticed that on the headers the 02 sensor is only on one section of the tubing. could it be that the o2 is not getting a propper reading?

any info or advice would be appreciated.
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 10:50 PM
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Which part of the smog did you fail?
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 10:54 PM
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ASM Emission Test Results

NO (PPM)
MAX AVE MEAS
835 237 1343
774 199 1482
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 11:04 PM
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So you ust failed your NOx? That won't be the header...... How old is your cat? Look into that, and also look into flushing carbon deposits out of your combustion chambers. One way is to spray a mist of water into the TB. You can search on that.. "combustion chamber cleaning"

Or seafoam.

Also I was just like you.... stock but a DC header. I did take off the header, but it only lowered my CO and HC. I had to get a combustion chamber cleaning to pass.

Good luck!!
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 11:14 PM
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Dude check the egr valve! (just kidding) It isn't running a bit on the hot side is it? Most times it's the cat. Check timing too.
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 11:23 PM
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some good advice so far.......THANKS for the feedback.

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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 11:30 PM
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If you're failing nox with a stock engine the first thing I'd look at is the cat. The header shouldn't really affect emissions because a dc header is carb legal.
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Old Jul 19, 2005 | 12:17 AM
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Default Re: smog related< car fails emissions with dc headers >91 SI (BlUeDC2nEr)

is that smog crazyness only in cali???
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Old Jul 19, 2005 | 12:42 AM
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Ok from what I have seen the SOHC dc header has the O2 bung down behind by the cat.? If this is the case then it will run diffrent because the non heated O2 is so far away from the heat. I would say it would prolly be richer. I dunno if this has anything to do with your test or not.

Sorry I'm in Utah and we do not have emissions here, just trying to throw out ideas.
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Old Jul 19, 2005 | 01:12 AM
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^^^ Mine's closer to the stock header location
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Old Jul 19, 2005 | 07:10 AM
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Check your cat. It might be dirty or clogged up with carbon. That's what I replaced.

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Old Jul 19, 2005 | 10:10 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DohcVtecCrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ok from what I have seen the SOHC dc header has the O2 bung down behind by the cat.? If this is the case then it will run diffrent because the non heated O2 is so far away from the heat. I would say it would prolly be richer. I dunno if this has anything to do with your test or not.

Sorry I'm in Utah and we do not have emissions here, just trying to throw out ideas.</TD></TR></TABLE>

yeah the o2 is running rich. i believe i have an older style dc header so the o2 is only on one section of the tubing. why they(dc) did this i don't know? i have a feeling that's the problem though.
cali smog sucks and to top it off i have to bring it to a "test only station"
i'll keep you all updated.
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Old Jul 19, 2005 | 02:36 PM
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Default Re: smog related< car fails emissions with dc headers >91 SI (BlUeDC2nEr)

headers won't cause one to fail the NOX test.

could be bad cat.
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Old Jul 19, 2005 | 03:03 PM
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Most likely its running rich and all those carbon deposits as a result are raising ur combustion chaimber temps.... = hi NOx. That's the way I see it. Since you're bay area I can refer you to the people that did my cumbustion chamber cleaning which lowered my NOx from gross polluter to passing if u want. That route was much cheaper than replacing the cat... PM me
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Old Jul 20, 2005 | 07:12 PM
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Default Re: smog related< car fails emissions with dc headers >91 SI (oh_crx)

FINALLY PASSED! but almost failing smog again.

i ended up swaping and borrowing my buddy's piping. from header to exhaust and that fixed my problem. most likely it was because of........

1 - it was an older style dc header(sensor is on the top side of the header instead of on the bottom part where all the sections meet) so with a higher mileage motor caused my emmisions to go up. for dc.

2 - i had on a no name/brand ghetto cat that was on there.

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Old Jul 20, 2005 | 08:43 PM
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