They couldn't even adjust the toe in and toe out on the front. Are they challenged? Just becuase my car is lowered they think I need a front camber kit to adjust front toe in/out. Is that right? Can you have perfect aligned toe in toe out on the front without modifying your car when you lower it?

 

all they hafta do it play with the tie rod ends. it has nothin to do with bein lowered. so what did they do nothin?

 

no one there obviously has any clue...so go to a different shop.

camber doesnt matter...toe is what does 90% of the wear.. it a fact you can run a long time on good tires with a good alignment, even with tons of camber. the shop should know that
the inside just wears more than the outside, because the outside has almost no weight on it.
-adam, who has ran a long time with camber and has almost no wear issues.

 

werd I wonder if any tuner shops in portland can do alignment, mby take it to an alignment specialist, but for some reason shops around here will act retarded when you bring in a civic. well the name brand shops at least, not the tuner shops

 

no matter if its lowered or not they CAN adjust toe. thats the only stock adjustable angle anyways. they are lying to you

 

When I worked at honda one of the tech's had a similar problem. When they drop the toe beam low enough to go under the bumper it hits the rack doing caster sweeps.

Since caster & camber are not adjustable, have them do a toe only alignment. Any reasonable intelligent tech should be able to handle it.

 

whats a toe beam? go to a shop that has the sensors that fit on the lip of the wheel- it doesnt matter how low it is it will still work with that mechanism, i even went to mavis tire and got it aligned right, they even aligned it to my specs instead of factory -1/8 toe out front

 

um, all sensors (except a very new design that bolts to the hub) atatch to the lip.

The to beam hangs down from the sensor and shoots a beam from the front L to R in front of th tire.

 

I do alignments all day long, and as long as the car be driven up the rack, they can set toe, Camber being off will have no effect when they set toe.

With that being said, i will tell you this, i wont align any lowerd cars but mine and my fellow co workers. Its to much trouble, Most of the time people lower there cars wrong, (coilover sleeves) and it just makes things a pain in the ***. If we do the alignment, and they drive down the road, and kill thmesleves then were at fault. I dont want that headache, so i just dont do them. This is probley why the shop wont take your car in. Just look around some places will do them, we send all the stuff we wont do to a alignment shop down the street. They take anything in lol.

 

*shakes head in discust*

 

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"discust" really?

 

If you ever get down south to the Corvallis area, head over to D&B Bear service. they've got an old guy there that's been doing alignments for over 50 years, and he still does it the old fashioned way. Did a great Job on my CRX.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MENACE &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I do alignments all day long, and as long as the car be driven up the rack, they can set toe, Camber being off will have no effect when they set toe.

With that being said, i will tell you this, i wont align any lowerd cars but mine and my fellow co workers. Its to much trouble, Most of the time people lower there cars wrong, (coilover sleeves) and it just makes things a pain in the ***. If we do the alignment, and they drive down the road, and kill thmesleves then were at fault. I dont want that headache, so i just dont do them. This is probley why the shop wont take your car in. Just look around some places will do them, we send all the stuff we wont do to a alignment shop down the street. They take anything in lol. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I agree with this statemant. I did take my car to les schwab and they did a great job, BUT people lower their cars the wrong way. My car was already lowered when I got it. Gr-2 shocks, h & r race springs, es bushings all around, full camber kit front and back and somehow my suspesnion still sucks ***. I do not know what was done wrong and I have taken it apart to check everything out and everything looks good. I think it is my shocks, but still if I was aligning cars for a living I wouldn't wanna touch lowered cars.

 

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Depends on the alignment machine and what kind of heads it has on it. The new target style will align anything as long as it fits on rack. Some of the older heads that need to see across the front of the car will not give you a toe reading. I wonder if that was the problem.

 

they are idiots... it isnt any more difficult to align a lowered car than a stock height.. except for getting it on the rack. this crap is the reason i am the only one who touches any of my cars

 

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Ive seen those types, hell it was the kind i learned on. And if that was the case then there reason was legit. Most places however dont use that kinda anymore, and if they do they dont do alot of alignments. But like i said most shops wont take in lowered cars for the liabilty reasons.

I noticed a few of you guys got offended when i said that. All i can say is sorry. Most of the time these cars we get in are held together with everything but bubble gum. I sure as **** dont wanny pay for something if it breaks while im doing work on it. Sorry if i offended anyone when i said that, but were just looking out for our own asses. Like i said befor theres places that will do it. But you cant go to a "Repair shop" Or the dealer and expect to have your modified car aligned.

 

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not even when you work there :'(

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Louie B. &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you ever get down south to the Corvallis area, head over to D&B Bear service. they've got an old guy there that's been doing alignments for over 50 years, and he still does it the old fashioned way. Did a great Job on my CRX.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Hey Louie, about how much did it run? You've seen my setup, I'm curious if I'll need a camber kit (not installed yet, but wearing a little on my "newer" Toyo's....)...

 

I think it was in the $50 range IIRC.

Get the toe set to 0 rear and 1/8" total toe out front and it should wear well even w/ Neg camber.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Louie B. &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think it was in the $50 range IIRC.

Get the toe set to 0 rear and 1/8" total toe out front and it should wear well even w/ Neg camber.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Awesome, I'll have to check 'im out!