CCR NASA Harness Question
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CCR NASA Harness Question
So.....I can never understand the wording in the CCR....
Harness was manufactured in July 2003.....So does that mean it is only good for 2 years?? or till the end of the 2nd year??
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Chad
and in my opinion that is stupid to have to replace every 2 years...has been in a garage and used less than 12 weekends!!!
Harness was manufactured in July 2003.....So does that mean it is only good for 2 years?? or till the end of the 2nd year??
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Chad
and in my opinion that is stupid to have to replace every 2 years...has been in a garage and used less than 12 weekends!!!
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Re: CCR NASA Harness Question (chad)
I checked with National on this. The SFI belts are good for 2 years past the born on date. eg date on label says 2/2003. belts good until 2/2005.
This is the way the SFI regs say it should be & NASA is following it.
This is the way the SFI regs say it should be & NASA is following it.
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Re: CCR NASA Harness Question (chad)
SFI certified harnesses are good until 12/31 of the second year after the date of manufacture. If the tag is dated 02/05, the harness is good until 12/31/07. Whoever civicrr talked to at the national office either didn't understand the question or didn't get the answer conveyed correctly. It's in the GCR. As far as NASA goes, they usually follow what the SCCA rule book allows although I can't verify that right now.
FIA certified harnesses are good until 12/31 of the year on the FIA tag which can be up to 5 years. One of the biggist falacies is that FIA harnesses are good for 5 years.
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FIA certified harnesses are good until 12/31 of the year on the FIA tag which can be up to 5 years. One of the biggist falacies is that FIA harnesses are good for 5 years.
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Re: CCR NASA Harness Question (MarkosMotorsports)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MarkosMotorsports »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Chad...
Buy a set of Crow belts... they will re web the belts for you for half the price. At least you are only paying $40 for new belts. </TD></TR></TABLE>
link??
also never heard of this....will the belts be the same as the sparco? i like the softer material used in them!
Buy a set of Crow belts... they will re web the belts for you for half the price. At least you are only paying $40 for new belts. </TD></TR></TABLE>
link??
also never heard of this....will the belts be the same as the sparco? i like the softer material used in them!
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Re: CCR NASA Harness Question (hbennett76)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hbennett76 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">FIA certified harnesses are good until 12/31 of the year on the FIA tag which can be up to 5 years. One of the biggist falacies is that FIA harnesses are good for 5 years.</TD></TR></TABLE>
That's exactly why I bought an OMP FIA harness! Mine will be used 5-6 weekends a year and kept in a dry garage the rest of the time. It will still be safe in its 5th season.
It sucks that we have to replace good harnesses every two years to protect the bozos that soak them in gasoline, bake them in the sun and use them as a tow straps at the mud bog.
That's exactly why I bought an OMP FIA harness! Mine will be used 5-6 weekends a year and kept in a dry garage the rest of the time. It will still be safe in its 5th season.
It sucks that we have to replace good harnesses every two years to protect the bozos that soak them in gasoline, bake them in the sun and use them as a tow straps at the mud bog.
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Re: CCR NASA Harness Question (Track rat)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Track rat »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It sucks that we have to replace good harnesses every two years to protect the bozos that soak them in gasoline, bake them in the sun and use them as a tow straps at the mud bog. </TD></TR></TABLE>
The gasoline doesn't keep them from dry-rotting?
</TD></TR></TABLE>The gasoline doesn't keep them from dry-rotting?
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Re: CCR NASA Harness Question (chad)
Chad,
You can also get a set of pyrotect belts very reasonably! They can also be re-webbed. I run them as well as Edo in H4!
You can also get a set of pyrotect belts very reasonably! They can also be re-webbed. I run them as well as Edo in H4!
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Re: CCR NASA Harness Question (Crack Monkey)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Crack Monkey »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The gasoline doesn't keep them from dry-rotting? </TD></TR></TABLE>
The sun is the real culprit.
The gasoline doesn't keep them from dry-rotting?
</TD></TR></TABLE>The sun is the real culprit.
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Re: CCR NASA Harness Question (chad)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chad »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
link??
also never heard of this....will the belts be the same as the sparco? i like the softer material used in them!</TD></TR></TABLE>
http://www.crowenterprizes.com/
I don't know about the softness of the Sparco since I have never used... Crow material is like Simpson. I know for sure about the dicounted price since they are about 5 minutes away and I have already had them reweb two belts for me
link??
also never heard of this....will the belts be the same as the sparco? i like the softer material used in them!</TD></TR></TABLE>
http://www.crowenterprizes.com/
I don't know about the softness of the Sparco since I have never used... Crow material is like Simpson. I know for sure about the dicounted price since they are about 5 minutes away and I have already had them reweb two belts for me
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Re: CCR NASA Harness Question (hbennett76)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hbennett76 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">SFI certified harnesses are good until 12/31 of the second year after the date of manufacture. If the tag is dated 02/05, the harness is good until 12/31/07. Whoever civicrr talked to at the national office either didn't understand the question or didn't get the answer conveyed correctly. It's in the GCR. As far as NASA goes, they usually follow what the SCCA rule book allows although I can't verify that right now.
FIA certified harnesses are good until 12/31 of the year on the FIA tag which can be up to 5 years. One of the biggist falacies is that FIA harnesses are good for 5 years.
Howard Bennett
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Well, lets see, the guy I talked to @ National was Jerry K.
Since he is the man who writes the rules, it would have to be a big misunderstanding. Could be possible, though.
As to the rules being in the GCR, it has two subsections. You are mixing section A & B. They are seperate. I am sure you know your equipment but those are the rules that NASA is running.
FYI, the age limit is for racing not HPDE which is ref. in the HPDE section.
FIA certified harnesses are good until 12/31 of the year on the FIA tag which can be up to 5 years. One of the biggist falacies is that FIA harnesses are good for 5 years.
Howard Bennett
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Well, lets see, the guy I talked to @ National was Jerry K.
Since he is the man who writes the rules, it would have to be a big misunderstanding. Could be possible, though. As to the rules being in the GCR, it has two subsections. You are mixing section A & B. They are seperate. I am sure you know your equipment but those are the rules that NASA is running.
FYI, the age limit is for racing not HPDE which is ref. in the HPDE section.
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Re: CCR NASA Harness Question (rex_boy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rex_boy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well, my belts were born on 05/03 and at my last event in 06/05 they told me they were expired. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes, Paul, that is correct, because as civicrr has stated, NASA enforces the expiration to the end of the calendar month that they were created, were SCCA supposedly enforces to the end of the calendar year. I know that when I was helping tech cars at BeaveRun (same event as you mentioned Paul), the OH/IN Region director said that is was in fact 2 years on SFI belts, and they expired at the end of the month in which they were created. If belts are found to be expired, it is noted in that individual car's logbook, the car is still allowed to compete that weekend, but if it shows up at another event and the belts still haven't been changed, then the car will not be allowed on track until the belts are replaced.
Hope this helps
Sam
Yes, Paul, that is correct, because as civicrr has stated, NASA enforces the expiration to the end of the calendar month that they were created, were SCCA supposedly enforces to the end of the calendar year. I know that when I was helping tech cars at BeaveRun (same event as you mentioned Paul), the OH/IN Region director said that is was in fact 2 years on SFI belts, and they expired at the end of the month in which they were created. If belts are found to be expired, it is noted in that individual car's logbook, the car is still allowed to compete that weekend, but if it shows up at another event and the belts still haven't been changed, then the car will not be allowed on track until the belts are replaced.
Hope this helps
Sam
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Re: CCR NASA Harness Question (chad)
Here's what the NASA CCR says:
10. All belts should meet at least one of the following:
A) SFI Specification 16.1 or 16.5 (for use with HANS only) and shall bear a
dated label of no more than two (2) years old. At least one date label is
required on belt sets.
B) A restraint systems meeting FIA spec #8853/1985, 8853/98, or D-
###.T/98, including amendment 1/92 may be used. FIA certified belts have a
label that shows an expiration date. The belts cannot be used past
December 31st of the year shown on the label. At least one date label is
required on belt sets.
The way I read this, if your belt doesn't have a FIA cert, It's good for two years from the born-on date. An 07/03 date expires on 07/05. If it has an FIA cert, it's good until the labeled stale date.
Of course, this depends on who is looking at your chit and how they interpret the rules. You pays your money and you takes your chance.
10. All belts should meet at least one of the following:
A) SFI Specification 16.1 or 16.5 (for use with HANS only) and shall bear a
dated label of no more than two (2) years old. At least one date label is
required on belt sets.
B) A restraint systems meeting FIA spec #8853/1985, 8853/98, or D-
###.T/98, including amendment 1/92 may be used. FIA certified belts have a
label that shows an expiration date. The belts cannot be used past
December 31st of the year shown on the label. At least one date label is
required on belt sets.
The way I read this, if your belt doesn't have a FIA cert, It's good for two years from the born-on date. An 07/03 date expires on 07/05. If it has an FIA cert, it's good until the labeled stale date.
Of course, this depends on who is looking at your chit and how they interpret the rules. You pays your money and you takes your chance.
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Re: CCR NASA Harness Question (chad)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chad »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So.....I can never understand the wording in the CCR....
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One of my NASA duties is to review the rules each year for many reasons to include ease of understanding. What wording would you have suggested to make this clearer. I will suggest it at the next upgrade.
10. All belts should meet at least one of the following:
A) SFI Specification 16.1 or 16.5 (for use with HANS only) and shall bear a
dated label of no more than two (2) years old. At least one date label is
required on belt sets.
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One of my NASA duties is to review the rules each year for many reasons to include ease of understanding. What wording would you have suggested to make this clearer. I will suggest it at the next upgrade.
10. All belts should meet at least one of the following:
A) SFI Specification 16.1 or 16.5 (for use with HANS only) and shall bear a
dated label of no more than two (2) years old. At least one date label is
required on belt sets.
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Re: CCR NASA Harness Question (Geezer)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Geezer »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The way I read this, if your belt doesn't have a FIA cert, It's good for two years from the born-on date. An 07/03 date expires on 07/05. If it has an FIA cert, it's good until the labeled stale date.
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Strictly speaking 7/05 is 25 months after 7/03. The belts are done on 6/30/2005.
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Strictly speaking 7/05 is 25 months after 7/03. The belts are done on 6/30/2005.
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Re: CCR NASA Harness Question (Grumpy)
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Strictly speaking 7/05 is 25 months after 7/03. The belts are done on 6/30/2005. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I sell FIA stickers. Any date you want. $5.
Well Chad, at least you can subsidize your new belts by selling your old unsafe ones to an HPDE'er.
-Chris
Strictly speaking 7/05 is 25 months after 7/03. The belts are done on 6/30/2005. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I sell FIA stickers. Any date you want. $5.
Well Chad, at least you can subsidize your new belts by selling your old unsafe ones to an HPDE'er.
-Chris
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