Damn this is the worst fuc*ing race ever! Its a slap in the face and a middle finger for all US F1 fans!! FU*K F1!!!

 

andrew just called me and told me half of the racers are off the track due to some safety issues.

 

I feel ya bro. I've felt like this for at least 12 years. I said F the FIA and F1 years ago, and switched to CART (IRL).

:edit: LOL - FIA and F1 both start with capital *F*.


Modified by Ill at 8:15 AM 6/20/2005

 

And it's not like the greedy *** promoters and will give the attendees their money back! I really feel sorry for all the viewers and those who travelled paid to see it at Indy.

I'm watching the coverage after hearing Hobbs, Matchett, and Varsha, it seems like the notion is it's Michelins fault. Nothing could be further from the truth. Bernie Ecclestone and the FIA have truly fucked up with their their dumbass tire regulations.

Lastly, I really can't see how a 1-2 Finish for ferrari would be anything to rejoice about.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ******* lame *** FIA &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Only Ferrari, Minardi and Jordan - on Bridgestone tyres - raced after Ferrari scuppered a last-ditch rescue proposal.

The Italian team vetoed a plan agreed by all the other teams to introduce a chicane at the final corner, which had caused problems for Michelin tyres.

The FIA refused to allow the change - and as a result the seven Michelin teams pulled out after the parade lap.

The crowd at Indianapolis were largely oblivious to the controversy - until Renault, McLaren, BAR, Williams, Red Bull, Toyota and Sauber all dived into the pit lane moments before the start.

To change the course to help some of the teams would be grossly unfair to those teams which have come to Indianapolis with the correct tyres

FIA statement

Michelin had advised its seven teams not to race without changes because of the tyre failure that lead Ralf Schumacher to smash into a wall in Friday practice.

Team officials and F1 chief Bernie Ecclestone - and at one point all 20 drivers - were locked in lengthy talks in a bid to save the race.

The teams emerged to say nine of them had agreed to race with a chicane at the accident spot - but F1 officials had already ruled out making a change to the track.

"To change the course in order to help some of the teams with a performance problem caused by their failure to bring suitable equipment to the race would be a breach of the rules and grossly unfair to those teams which have come to Indianapolis with the correct tyres," the FIA said.

Team officials seemed to hang on the hope that track bosses would make the changes anyway, and all 20 drivers took to the track for the parade lap on the proviso they would only pass the start if they got word the chicane was installed.

But start came and went without news of the change, and the teams immediately pulled out.

The crisis began on Friday after Toyota drivers Schumacher and Ricardo Zonta crashed at the same spot on the final bend and despite tests, Michelin were unable to "understand or reproduce" the tyre failure that caused the crash.

The company wanted to fly in new tyres from its factory in France, but International Automobile Federation (FIA) rules introduced this season, prohibit the introduction of a new tyre part-way through a Grand Prix weekend.

That left teams and drivers convinced the only safe solution was to build a chicane on the banked final corner, where the crash happened.

If the race had gone ahead, Toyota's Jarno Trulli would have been on pole after qualifying fastest on Saturday, ahead of McLaren's Kimi Raikkonen, with BAR's Jenson Button in third place.

It is believed that the race result will stand and championship points will be awarded.
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And like its really fair now!!! The only team its fair for is ******* Ferrari!! congrats on you first win of the season Schumi, you ****** cheater!!!

 

Ferrari finishing 1-2 only adds insult to injury.

 

Eww... i feel sorry for my friends that went....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ITRbroham &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And it's not like the greedy *** promoters and will give the attendees their money back! I really feel sorry for all the viewers and those who travelled paid to see it at Indy.

I'm watching the coverage after hearing Hobbs, Matchett, and Varsha, it seems like the notion is it's Michelins fault. Nothing could be further from the truth. Bernie Ecclestone and the FIA have truly fucked up with their their dumbass tire regulations.

Lastly, I really can't see how a 1-2 Finish for ferrari would be anything to rejoice about. </TD></TR></TABLE>

My co worker already started driving home to Jersey!
I know Bernie is an *** and now is payback to him.
I can't wait to see what fine he will give Michelin team tomorrow on all this!

 

Ya this is pretty fucked, I tuned in about 20 laps in and was kinda confused as to what happened. But it is a pretty boreing race now.

 

What galls me about stuff like this is that the FIA claims their rules are in the interest of safety and fairness. Uhhhhh Huhhhhh, right.

 

DQ MS!!!!

 

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Yeah, that was pretty bad.

 

i feel bad for all the people who paid money to go to the race

 

The fans have every right to "BOO" and yell "BULLSHIT"!

 

WOW......did you see the look on M. Schumacher's face?

 

Whoa, was that Jasmado errrr Jetydosa on tv wearing the BAR shirt?

 

I can't believe 2/3 of the cars got knocked due to unsafe Michelin tires.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/....html
I wonder how much express shipping on 14 sets of race tires from France would have cost them.


Modified by Jowee 1162 at 3:14 PM 6/19/2005

 

I don't think the FIA can be blamed on this particular incident.

From my understanding, Michelin has issues with their tires and requested to add a chicane to keep the speed down. It is no different from, say, Toyota has problem with their engines and requested every team to lower their rev limit, which is not a fair request.

That's how I see it, maybe I'm wrong.

 

How is it Ferrari's fault that they actually have a tire whorth a damn, and what part of that is cheating, they didn't break any rules. I think you'd probably do the same thing for a podium finish if you were in Ferrari's shoes. So just shut the **** up.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MiraiZ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And like its really fair now!!! The only team its fair for is ******* Ferrari!! congrats on you first win of the season Schumi, you ****** cheater!!!
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I think the situation is rather pathetic, but I don't think it's very fair to blame either Ferrari or Schumi, or to call them cheaters - they didn't break any rules. I think the FIA is at fault for not having the flexibility to allow rule exceptions in the interest of safety. This may very well mean the end of the USGP, which I find very disappointing, but the FIA only has themselves to blame.

 

What I don't get is that they knew this was coming since about Friday, and in 2 days, they couldn't come to an agreement?

Why add insult to injury by lining up as if there would be a race, and then 14 cars just pull out? I just wonder how those tens of thousands of fans felt when they only saw 6 cars start the race.

I'm not a Ferrari or MS fan, but clearly, I don't blame Ferrari for what's happened. The blame lies squarely with Michelin and the FIA for not coming up with a compromise. Man, all those people and their hard-earned money goes down the toilet just like that.

I wonder if F1 will return to the US again next year, or if things will ever be the same again for Formula One in general. This is unprecedented.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Wai &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't think the FIA can be blamed on this particular incident.

From my understanding, Michelin has issues with their tires and requested to add a chicane to keep the speed down. It is no different from, say, Toyota has problem with their engines and requested every team to lower their rev limit, which is not a fair request.

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I think the FIA should have been able to bend the rules to allow Michelin to fly in new tires, as they asked. I consider this to be very different from your example as it involved a critical part used by so many teams, and is not engineered by the individual teams, they don't have as much control over tires as they do engines, etc.

 

Like the article says, not even 100,000 people showed up for this event when over 300,000 show up for the Indy 500. FIA has done fugged themselves for not attempting to come to a compromise with Michelin who was willing to fix the problem. I don't think they're gunna have very much luck getting a good crowd to come out next year if they decide to do it.

I agree with Wai on the chicane part, but would have allowed it because of the long term effects of only having 6 cars racing.

 

All FIA had to do was allow a chicane in turn 13. Max Mosely

 

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Why would you disqualify someone who did nothing except what he's paid to do?

Some of the responses in here are idiotic - ie. the ones calling for Ferrari's head. In case you haven't noticed, Ferrari isn't the unstoppable juggernaut they were last year. What were they supposed to do?

The fault for this disgrace lies not with the teams that were adequately prepared to race, but with the people that screwed up and wanted to break the rules to suit themselves (the sensibility of the tire rules being under extreme dubiousness at the moment).