has anyone had experience with tein's HA setup or any other setup from tein, or h&r's cup kit or coilover setups (stages 3.5 & 4)??

trying to decide what i need to get.

 

what spring rate are thay each running?

 

I've run the Tein HA on my prelude, and while I was fairly happy with them, I wouldn't buy them again. Things have improved a little bit since Tein opened up a US service center recently. At least you can get them worked on if you need it. The rusting myths that are floating around on the net are blown out of proportion. I had mine for maybe 16 months, coated the threads with anti-seize COMPLETELY before the install and when I took them off and cleaned the gunk away there was no rust. Without anti-seize, they would have rusted up for sure though... but it's bare steel... you can't expect any more. They are VERY heavy if that's a concern. The Tein's have 16 levels of adjustment, most of which would be useful on the track. On the street, the top half (at least in the frontend) was too stiff for me. The rebound became too slow and I would lose traction on hard acceleration on mild bumps.

This is the competition forum though... of course, you haven't said what you're planning to do with them...

 

I have tein ha ,the spring rates for eg are very soft - front 8kg (around 450lbs)

rear is 6 kg(around 340lbs).

Tein USA will be rebuilding and revalving VERY SOON but they haven't got all of their equipment yet(another 2 weeks or so). I sent in my front HA's last week to be rebuilt as they were pissing out oil ,they said mine will be the first set(hopefully there won't be any mistakes on the first set).


I didn't really have any rusting problems with the threads but with the bodies, the welds for the sleeves started to rust as well as the welds for the bottom mount.I don't see how you can stop that except to paint it with rust paint or somthing, but then again you shouldn't have to do that with $1000+ shocks



Yes they feel obviously heavier(haven't weighed them so it could just be me) than a koni/gc setup, but the bodies are bigger too.


I agree the front can get HARSH if you turn it up.

Also if you want to change spring rates using ERS springs you have to modify the pearch as the Tein springs are 70mm ID and the ERS is 2.5"(64mm)ID or you can buy diff rates from tein.

I wouldn't buy buy the HA's new and if you asked me a year ago I wouldn't buy them used either BUT since Tein has set up their rebuilding facilites here I would buy them USED but still not new.


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[QUOTE]I don't see how you can stop that except to paint it with rust paint or somthing, but then again you shouldn't have to do that with $1000+ shocks
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my sentiments exactly.

i autocross a lot and do some road racing as well, so that's what they would be used for.

h&r i know makes a good setup as we've run them in a couple of cars. i had heard that tein made a good setup for imports, but i wanted to hear more about them before i made a decision as to what im going to get.

as for the spring rates, do the shock's adjustment take care of the stiffness? just how stiff do the shocks get?

also, is zeal's suspension at all desireable over h&r's?

tia

 

It sounds to me that if you're autocrossing a bunch, you should try and find what's working for others with cars similar to yours. Having stuff rust on you like that for that kind of money, to me, is unacceptable. You'd do yourself best with sticking to proven stuff (like Koni and a Ground Control spring/sleeve setup). Decent price, top-notch quality, and an near-endless supply of [Eibach] springs to choose from. There'll never be a question as to whether you can get your Konis serviced, either. I personally would like to hear more about the Bilstein PSS 9 setup (expensive, but wonder if it's worth the cost).

 

I use Zeal B6 coilovers for Autocross/Daily Drive and they have 560f/336b spring rates. I have driven two other cars that had Skunk2 and Tien (not sure which model) and neither I liked as much.

 

The way that the Skunk2 springs behaved would've been greatly influenced by the choice of damper.

 

i have a 6g hatch, dunno why i failed to mention this before.


how much did the zeal setup run you? where can i talk to other people who are running the zeal b6 suspension?

it seems now the choice is between h&r and zeal. if the zeal suspension approaches what the stage 4 h&r costs, i think i might go with h&r.

still looking for more input.. anything/everything welcome.

 

I have the H&R Type R Road Race suspension. I have not driven the car yet ... just recently installed them. Pics:

 

tein has on their site for the ha's 559lbs/in 10kg/mm front and 392lbs/in 7kg/mm rear. i think i'll be looking for something stiffer, although shocks should take care of that. i need to see just how stiff my car's gonna be with the bushing kit i just put in it (gotta get it running first).

i'm not sure what h&r has for their cup kit (stage 3.5) and coilover (stage 4), i need to call them and find out.

that brings me to the question of spring rates. what's everybody running for autocross and track?

 

those look really nice. please keep me posted on how you like them.

im confused about the type, though. on h&r's site, they have listed the following for civics:

stage 4 (coilover)

Civic, Si Typ EJ, EK 1995-00 1.25 - 2.0 1.25 - 3.0 29928-2 1,500.00 kit

Civic, Si Road Racing Suspension 1992-00 1.5 - 2.3 1.5 - 2.5 50928-4 1,750.00 kit


i guess the road racing suspension is even more aggressive than the 96-00 kit?

 

The road racing suspension is not what you want if your primary focus is for autocross. The uneven pavement surfaces will cause your car to hop or skate across the surface, losing grip because springs/dampers are too stiff.

-Ryan

 

You have a eg civic right?

Sorry I think someone has screwed up with that tein home site
they list spring rates as Ft:7-14k Rr:4-10k I think they do this becausse you can choose the diff rates before you buy BUT if you don't choose they come with FT8k & Rr 6kg I already spoke to TeinUSA about this.They also said the max spring you should put on the HA would be a 12K before you have to revalve them.

 

Those H&R's look nice, no crappy welds.

 

i road race as well, but not as much as i autocross simply because there aren't as many events in my area. ideally what i want is spring rates that are soft enough to be good for autocrossing, and shocks with enough adjustment to be very stiff for the track.

 

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