this guy is selling a set of ls mesh rims.. they dont have tires on them now so he said he is gonna put some new ones on.. he said the size of the new ones are 195-60-15.. is that the right size? they will be going on a DA integra.. right now my rims are 205-55 so i dont know why it would be different

 

195/60/15 is the incorrect size. It should be 195/55/15. You could also opt for a 205 series tire, which would be 205/50/15.

 

so why would going wider make you need a thinner sidewall? i have 205-55-15 now and i think its fine.. 195-60 seems weird just to be getting a bigger sidewall and a thinner tread part of the tire

 

195/55/15

or you might want to try

195/50/15 for a little stiffer sidewall

 

205/50/15's. You can't go wrong.
Let the force be with you.

 

205/50/15 looks best, 195/55/15 doesn't look that great, 205/50's look perfect!...205/55/15 is off, too weird.

 

195/50's are better IMO

 

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the 15" mesh rim is 15x6", some would say a 205 width tire is too big and would make for sloppy handling.
I've done it before, it was ok, but I really prefer the 195/55/15 or 195/50/15 better for that rim.
For 205, you should go with a 15x6.5 or 15x7.0 rim.

 

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doesnt 195-50 make the tire hella skinny like you have something too small on there?

 

it's not an ls mesh but it's wrapped in a 195/50 series tires



i think it's perfect

 

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no not at all...it's a great setup for performance driving, and you still have a lot of tire left to protect the rim and give you a somewhat comfortable ride, not like true lowpros...like a 40 series or something.

 

Nope its hardly a noticably difference visually from the 205/50, only a matter of millimeters. The 195/50 is my fave size because it costs WAY cheaper than 205/50 and looks the best too. You also get slightly better acceleration with a smaller diameter wheel/tire combo.

 

i don't understand why all you guys want these little tires. less rubber on the road will give you worse traction. also, a smaller diameter tire will make you spin your tires easier. it won't really do anything for your acelleration and your spedometer will be off.

 

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wtf?? Okaaay. First of all, a shorter sidewall will give better handling in the way that the sidewall will experience less roll during hard cornering. Secondly, A smaller diameter will not grip any less initially than a larger diameter tire, once it does grip it will spin faster and accelerate the car a tiny bit faster than stock size. Your speedometer will be over by about 4 mph around 60 so you will actually be going slower than what it says, which is a good thing IMO.

 

you all have to remember how the tire formula works.

ex: 205/50/15

205 = width of tire tread in MM (it fluctuates also, different tire manufacturers measure from different spots)

50 = 50 percent of tread measurement and relates to height from rim to tread

15 = inner diameter of tire, tells you what size rim to put the tire on.

the stock size for a DA w/ the stock 14's (whether it has alloys or the steel wheels)
is 185/60/14

if you go to a 15 inch rim, i'd suggest 205/50/15. 195/55/15 would work also. 195/60/15 will be a little too large, but it'll still work great. i will warn you, with a larger rolling diameter (wheel diameter) you're speedometer will read slower than you are actually going. so make sure you pace a friend or run by one of those speed signs to know how far its off. as you increase speed, the less accurate the speedo becomes. so it wont be just 5mph or whatever off, it'll gradually increase how off it'll be.

wheel diameter is very important. most factory 4lug integra's run under a 23inch wheel diameter. the 15inch wheel 4lug integras run right at a 23inch wheel diameter (23.0xx") so remember to stay within that diameter.


a way to figure your wheel diameter is to do the math.

i'll do 205/50/15 as an example

50% of 205 = 102.5

conversion for mm to inches = 1/25.4

102.5/25.4 = 4.035

take 4.035 and multiply it by two since this is from the top of the tire to the top of the rim, you have to do it twice because you have to add from the bottom of the rim to the bottom of the tire.

4.035 x 2 = 8.07

now add 15 to this because thats the diameter of the rim

23.07

factory dc2 gsr wheel diameter (195/55/15) = 23.444

as you can see, a 205/50/15 is actually a smaller wheel diameter than the stock size for a dc2 gsr... this will actually make the speedo slightly off in these cars

factory DA fyi (185/60/14) = 22.74

w/ a 205/50 you'll be close to the factory wheel diameter, but slightly over. you're speedo will be really close to accurate.

 

i look at a pic like this
195-50-15 and it looks too small.. maybe cuz the car isnt lowered. but still looks tiny

 

195/50 is a smaller diameter = 22.68 compared to the stock DA's 22.74, plus the stock DA runs a 14 inch wheel... so you get the appearance of alot more sidewall

 

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shorter sidewall does not equal better handling

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better acceleration from a smaller tire is caused by the change in overall gearing and can also be attributed to less rotational mass

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or you might want to try

195/50/15 for a little stiffer sidewall</TD></TR></TABLE>

a shorter profile doesn't mean stiffer sidewall. my 205/40/16 toyos and 205/55/16 toyos have the same stiffness and neither is nearly as stiff as my 205/50/15 azenis. sidewall stiffness is relative to the tire construction, not the size of the sidewall.

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sidewall profile is a ratio of tread width. a 205/50 and 195/50 don't have the same size sidewall, but 205/50 and 195/55 are very close to the same. if you want to use a tire with larger tread width and keep the overall diameter close to the same, then the aspect ratio has to be lower.

everything is a trade off. if you want better grip, get the wider tire. better acceleration get a tire with smaller overall diameter. my personal favorite would be the 205/50/15 falken azenis. i think the best compromise is a 205/50/15 toyo T1S or P4, not as much grip but the toyos are lighter so better acceleration, braking, and gas mileage. none of those tires are any good in the snow so if you live up north you'll need to get another set of tires to use then.

 

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yes, it will. physics.

 

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shorter sidewall does not equal better handling

a shorter profile doesn't mean stiffer sidewall. my 205/40/16 toyos and 205/55/16 toyos have the same stiffness and neither is nearly as stiff as my 205/50/15 azenis. sidewall stiffness is relative to the tire construction, not the size of the sidewall.
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i'm not trying to flame, but you post compares alot of apples to alot of oranges.

a shorter sidewall of the same tire (azenis vs. azenis) tends to be stiffer. thats why its hard to put a 35 series on w/ a tire press. taller sidewalls tend to flex alot easier and the tire tends to roll from side to side on the rim with the same ease. if you've ever used a tire press... you'd know how irritating the "tuner" tires w/ low profiles can be because of how stiff they are. the same brand/model tire w/ a larger profile is much easier to work with.

so, since a shorter profile is a stiffer sidewall, does this mean the wheel/tire will handle better, not really. theres so many variables involved since shorter profile tires tend to have much better sidewall construction, not to mention a better material tread/design pattern. its more than likely the material the tire is made from and the tread design will give you most of the handling characteristics, sidewall stiffness plays less of a part, but is still relivent. just too many variables involved overall. thats why you should worry more about matching factory wheel diameter and also worry about what type of tire you have. getting these two things to fit you're needs will give you the most satisfaction

oh yeah, post above... forgot to explain the whole effect of sidewall's folding up under load. thats why drag tires fold up. it gives traction because it allows more surrface contact. thats also why people run drag slicks at lower pressures, to allow more fold. its also why drag tires run a crap load of sidewall.

 

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195-50-15 and it looks too small.. maybe cuz the car isnt lowered. but still looks tiny

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Are you sure that's 195/50?? Because that definitely looks like 195/45 to me. Also it might just look like that because that car has massive wheel gap. Im not sure though, i know for sure that this is a 195/50/15 tire in this pic because i asked the owner of the car before(patrickgsr94)

 

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Are you sure that's 195/50?? Because that definitely looks like 195/45 to me. Also it might just look like that because that car has massive wheel gap. Im not sure though, i know for sure that this is a 195/50/15 tire in this pic because i asked the owner of the car before(patrickgsr94)
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you could also know for sure by simply looking at the sidewalls of your tires and reading the numbers off it.

it would look something similar to: 195/50r15 or 195/50zr15

 

the pic of the red da with blades, is for sure 195-50.. so i like 195-55 they look good.. are they too big as to throw off my speedo?

 

195/55/15 is a 23.444" wheel diameter

stock DA (185/60/14) is a 22.74" wheel diameter


yes, it will make your speedo slightly off. your speedo will read slower than you're actually going.

the 195/50/15 is actually closer to stock DA w/ a 22.68" wheel diameter, these tires will look tiny though because theres more rim than tire in the wheel diameter compared to the stock DA's setup.